Gilbert's confusion continues, some responses below....... --- Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And if the Ribandar situation and others have taught us any thing; it is to > keep out from something specific 8,000 miles away.
The Ribandar issue has taught us if we live 8,000 miles away (in the USA) and have seen the sex abuse issue by priests all over the USA news, we can write to the Archdiocese of Goa about the situation there. It might avoid some of the problems (if the problem even exists in Goa) made in the USA. First, we have to establish if there is a problem and what is being done to identify the problem. When I wrote to them asking if a study was done and what the results were, you agreed with their silence. Either bury-head-in-the-sand or sweep-matter-under-the-carpet or deny problem or condone silence - that's your approach. On what basis do you think the problem may not exist in Goa? > As far as the present day Catholic Church in General, there are some > things I would like see changed and other changes reverted because of obvious > fiascos. Any what are those things you would like to see changed and reverted? Over the years, I have been very explicit. How about you taking an explicit stand? > But none are related to the topic at hand: Caste / > Discrimination. You are the one making the allegations and you have to > prove the specifics. Please keep your COMMENTS SPECIFIC TO caste / > discrimination in the Catholic church. You were the one who first distracted from the topic suggesting to donate money to help lower caste seminarians. Then you got distracted by the topic and attacked Blessed Vaz supporters as to how they celebrated Jan 16. BTW, you will recall a year ago you made the same attack and Filomena Giese responsed in great detail what has been done over the years. But instead of doing something to help the cause, you have joined some of the peons in Goa cyberspace attacking Blessed Vaz supporters without lifting a finger to help or promote the cause. Btw, for Mario's benefit and other Johhnys-come-lately to Goan cyberspace, in 2000 when I brought up this issue in Goa cyberspace, I clearly said it is not about saints, but justice in the church. It is about allocating all the honors to Europeans and treating non-Europeans as door-mats, about Goans themselves acting as Vatican apologists and accepting their second-class treatment, and the Archdiocese of Goa doing nothing for Goans in this matter, etc. The issue of justice in the church is bigger than Blessed Vaz being a saint. > Contrary to your first statement below you have tarred the Goa Catholic > church because of what happened in the USA - TWENTY TO THIRTY YEARS AGO. I have not tarred the Catholic Church. The priests who comitteed sex abuse have done so. They have tarred the Catholic Church NOT those who seek justice. If you think an issue of "twenty or thirty years ago" should be ignored, how come the USA church has paid over $1 billion in claims recently and 3 or 4 of the 195 dioceses in the USA have filed or are in bankruptcy over this matter? It is a contemporary issue. > Please see the title of the thread to know the topic being discussed. Let me remind you, that you initially went off on a tangent as if the caste system is not alive and practiced in the Goa Catholic community. Please ignore these and other stories and hang on to fiction - http://www.geocities.com/prakashjm45/cuncolim.castewar.html. Let me also remind you of an earlier comment wanting to know why Hindu liberals have not done more to eradicate the "hindu" caste system as if Catholic Goans are innocent bystanders. Fairytales are nice - Santa Claus, the Easter bunny, the tooth fairy. Please don't wake up. As I mentioned previously, the caste system is not on my top priority of concerns, but since you have confused it with so many issues, I have addressed some of your mistakes. It may be futile discussing with Gilbert and sorting through his confusion, but I give him credit for writing publicly. Interestingly, some Goan Catholics who network and email each other take the cowardly approach of private communication to hide their indefensible views without realizing some of their emails eventually end up in my in-box! They are best ignored and not dignified with comment. Regards, George ************************************************************** Greet your loved ones in Goa with flowers! http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/ EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop. World famous all over Goa! **************************************************************
