Hi Jose,
I will be as brief as possible; I too think this discussion should be
finalised with this my little submission.
From: "jose colaco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet]RE: Gaunkaries/Communidades - final
Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 10:29:06 +0000
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JC2: Justice can ONLY be attained through the observance of Obligations,
Contracts and Laws
Nasci: Yes i believe in the observance of laws, contracts and obligations,
totally.
However it does not mean that, hundreds or thousands of years later, these
traditions, laws and obligations cannot be changed peacefully, and
democratically, for the benefit of all the present day residents and
constituents of a village or town. I am only demanding and trying to pursue
change; not a cummunist like take over. I do not and have never liked
Communists and Commie Govts.
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Nasci3: <This may not be relevent to the issue in question, but it shows,
that there is 'Private land' and 'Community land' in all the villages
constituted as Communidades>
JC4: Community Land is NOT State Land. It is like a Condominium complex
owned by a community of owners
Nasci replies:
Inthose old days, from what I know; there was no state land; only Community
or Communidade land; hence it can be safely derived that this community land
was like common land; in fact like modern state land, for the benefit of
all; and in those days 'all' meant only the gauncares; it is no longer the
same now; 'all' now means so much more; This happens to be my logic.
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Nasci4: <Yes the Panchayat Raj is in force now; but don't u see that the
evil forces prevailing as a result of the Communidades system has spilt
over into panchayat politics and state politics>
JC4: Please explain
Nasci explains:
The Goan villagers are divided into gaunkares and moradores; and these two
groups have effectively become vote banks for their respective candidates.
All that happens is that they let each groups man, be the sarpanch
alternatively; then when it comes to doing something concrete for village
developement; there is no agreement, in most cases; u see there is no unity,
even when they might be supposedly claiming allegiance to the same party;
And this differentiation goes on into Church administration and the
celebration of feasts etc.
Effectively 'apartheid' in seating, celebration of Church feasts etc. Very
un Christian; The cause of this is none other then "the institution of
Communidades"!
It stands to reason that the cause has to be removed for a good follow on
effect! Same problem 'cause of the caste system. Of course; easier said than
done; Let the Goan / Indian genius come on top of it; lest we all perish in
time, with Chinese superiority! The Chinese Marxist party is effectively
following Capitalism; whilst we are following feudal practices and casteism,
that is racism.
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Nasci 5: <That is why I feel that the system of Communidades be disbanded
and the Communidade (common) property, (and not individual property), be
handed over to the state>
JC5: Your "feeling" is based on an inaccurate assumption that Communidade =
Common.
And what do you mean "handed over to the state" ? As in Cuba?
The next thing you will say is that Companies with shareholders should be
handed over to (nationalised by ) the state.
Nasci explains:
Rather hand it over to the state to which all belong then to keep it in the
hands of a few to dominate. The State is not foreign; it is US. Like I have
said earlier; the companies/ communidades should be disbanded by law; not
Cuban or Communist style; and the law has to be equal to all;
Whose shares? You see, the orgiinal owners of the land are the gawdas and
the kunbis; then the settlers came and 'split the spoils' into private land
and shares for common holdings among themselves; You see: share the loot!
And this can go on and on. Is it not better than, to resolve this situation
by law, to the advantage of all present day residents? I hope u will agree.
Cheers, and good wishes to you too, Jose. No hard feelings. Bye now. (
definitely Final installment)
Nasci Caldeira
Melbourne
