-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | | | | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Sorry to "muck-up" your (and other Goans') knowledge > on Goa's Inquisition. I expected that you would step > to the plate questioning my "research" without you > doing any of your own.:=)) >
Hi Gilbert, I tried to tell you that my view is that research in any field should not be done by people who are not qualified to do it. I am not qualified to do historical research. However, if by "research" you simply mean reading some articles on the web, I have done much more than that, as far as Garcia de Orta is concerned. I have read the following articles published in the medical literature. Please read them, if you have not already done so: Pai-Dhungat JV. Garcia Da Orta (1502-1568) postal stamp released by Portuguese India (Goa)1946 J Assoc Physicians India. 2003 Jan;51:73. Bravo da Costa L. Medical conditions in Goa of 16th and 17th centuries: a study of foreign travelogues. Bull Indian Inst Hist Med Hyderabad. 1987;17(1):57-68. Pearson MN. First contacts between Indian and European medical systems: Goa in the sixteenth century Clio Med. 1996;35:20-41. D'Cruz IA. Garcia da Orta in Goa: pioneering tropical medicine. BMJ. 1991 Dec 21-28;303(6817):1593-4. Pandya SK. Medicine in Goa--a former Portuguese territory. J Postgrad Med. 1982 Jul;28(3):123-48. de Figueiredo JM. Ayurvedic medicine in Goa according to European sources in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries. Bull Hist Med. 1984 Summer;58(2):225-35. None of these articles arrive at your speculative opinions. > >Instead you rely on some fictional novels and web-articles. >Contrary to your statement, Alfred DeMello's web-article has no >references. Neither did he mention the source of his information >or his facts. > Sorry, I think you are mistaken. Please read that article again (http://www.colaco.net/1/AdmOrta.htm). It is not a fictional novel. It also has quite a few original references within its text. Here are some of them: "And after some years, experimenting with the medicinal applications used in India, he wrote a book "Os Colóquios dos Simples e Drogas e Coisas Medicinais na India" ((Colloquies of the simple, and Drugs and medicinal applications in India)." "Four hundred years later, it was discovered that Garcia de Orta had been married. This discovery was made by professor Augusto da Silva Carvalho, in his biography "Garcia de Orta" published in 1934. He had the bright idea to consult the process of the Inquisition of Catarina de Orta, sister of the celebrated sage, and burnt at the stake in Goa in 1569." "The only source for investigating Brianda de Solis is the process of Inquisition of Catarina de Orta. It is a manuscript of about 140 pages, and curiously, two manuscript copies were made, and which are to be found in the Torre do Tombo in Lisbon under the numbers 1282 and 1283." "The renowned poet Luiz de Camôes, in his "Os Lusiadas" dedicates two "cantos" (divisions of a long poem) to the Island of the Lovers. According to the poem, it was Vasco da Gama and his companions who had the recompense of their heroic voyage to India." "Prof. Silva Carvalho believes that in the face of the long arm of the Inquisition, Brianda sailed for Holland.. Various Ortas and Solis were imprisoned, and the great Garcia de Orta, twelve years after his death, was disinterred by the inquisitors, who could not rest until his bones were rendered to ashes." > >As far as scientific research in general is concerned, it is very >likely I have been published in more peer-reviewed medical >journals than you my friend. > Please note that I am talking about historical research here. I am not qualified to do historical research. Perhaps, you are. > >So do not tell me about your knowledge of research and its >methodology. > I am not telling you about my knowledge of anything. My knowledge of this issue is limited to the above articles that I have read, and perhaps, a few other things. I am only saying that your speculative opinions on it appear to be a revision of history as I know it from those articles. If you want me to revise my knowledge please provide me with your original references. > > Poile svater, you state that my write-up does not > contradict Alfred DeMello. (see your quote below). > Magir, you contradict yourself with "Gilbert is > revising what is known about de Orta". > Please read my following quotes again: "I don't see any real historical facts in Gilbert's account that are at variance with those of Alfredo, and no substantiation whatsoever in it." "The only differences between Alfredo's and Gilbert's accounts that I can see are in the gratuitous opinions expressed by Gilbert." I also pointed out that you left out some important facts such as the immolation of Orta's sister at the stake. > > You and others had no data on Goa's Inquisition when > I requested such data from you and them. > Why do you expect me to provide you with data? Please read the original scholarly books, articles and manuscripts on this subject. Any good university library should be able to get these on inter-library loan, even if they are in overseas archives. > >Of course that did not and does not prevent you from expressing >your considerate opinion on the subject. > Please note that my opinion is derived from the above articles that I cited, and a few other such articles. What is your considered opinion based on? Cheers, Santosh ----------------------------------------------------------------------- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Spread the Christmas cheer - even when you're not here! Send Christmas Greetings to your loved ones in Goa. 2005 Christmas Package - Flowers, Bubbles and Layers of Love. http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/xmas/ -----------------------------------------------------------------------
