-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | | Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Some of the "serious" scientists need to describe > the "sky as falling" in order to scare people into > providing more research grants. Others have been > co-opted by the socialists who have infiltrated the > environmental movement and are trying to excercise > control over the western industrial economies. > --- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Please note the baseless accusations and innuendo > hurled against some unnamed scientists without any > provocation, in the above quote. > Mario replies: > Santosh says my charges are "baseless" and "without provocation". This is truly amusing in the context of the strenuous attempts by the extreme environmental scientists to convince the rest of us to ignore the opinions of those scientists and other analysts who disagree with them. The extreme environmentalists constantly attack those who disagree with them as unworthy of participating in the debate, as Santosh Helekar has done on this forum, without addressing the specifics of the alternative scientific opinions. > Santosh writes: > > I submit to you that the above poster will not able to name > any actual scientist who has obtained a research grant in the > manner described by him above. He will also not be able to > name a single scientist who has been "co-opted by the > socialists" as he frivolously claims. > Mario responds: > This request to name people engaged in such behavior is absurd and a desperate attempt to divert attention from the essential nonsense being proposed as a solution to the problem of global warming, if it is a problem. Many analysts believe that modest global warming will actually benefit humanity tremendously. > Scientists make a handsome living by applying for research grants for all kinds of projects that others feel are bogus and frivolous, and there are many foundations and organizations who are gullible enough to provide funds for such research. In the environmental area the most popular procedure is to scare people into thinking that humans are responsible for global warming. I listed in my previous post a whole list of nonsensical claims by environmentalists that are believed by many gullible people. > The best example of mass international gullibility resulted in the bogus Kyoto Protocols, which includes the monumental absurdity that greenhouse gases can be reduced worldwide by forcing the older industrial countries to have expensive and mandatory controls, while exempting the new industrial powerhouses, India and China, which have virtually NO environmental controls of any kind. Most of the the western countries, especially the US, already have massive controls for health reasons, and the percentage of the earth's atmosphere that the Kyoto Protocols address is less than 0.05%. > The claim that the discredited socialist movement is now part of the environmental movement comes from the observation that the environmental movement proposes the same kinds of mandatory and coercive central planning that socialism is based on, with the same socialist attitude that a small cadre of "elites", who are smarter than the rest of us, know what's best for us, better than we do. > Santosh writes: > > The rest of the comical regurgitated material contained in the > above post has already been discredited and refuted in this > forum by at least two Goanetters. The unscientific, > ideological agenda and the ulterior motives behind > he "Junkscience.com" website promoted once again in that post > have been thoroughly exposed in the previous post in this > thread. > Mario responds: > I'm really glad Santosh finds JunkScience.com comical because some of the ideas he supports that they talk about. > Santosh considers demonizing those who disagree with him as being the same thing as discrediting their opinions. Nothing has been discredited by people like Santosh giving us one side of the issue. There are reputable scientists on both sides of this issue. > However, Santosh has demonstrated for us the typical extreme environmental tactic of demonizing a web site that debunks much of the nonsense that comes out of the scientific community, by assigning "ulterior motives" to them. Apparently the motives of Santosh and the proponents of "Junk Science" are as pure as the driven snow and as noble and humanitarian as Mother Theresa. > Yet we are asked by these noble elitists to ignore the fact that global warming and cooling took place often before human industrial activity began, that the worst hurricanes occurred over the Gulf of Mexico between 1880 and 1900, that 22 out of 27 hurricanes in 2005 never reached the "warm" Gulf of Mexico mainland, and then asked to believe that Europe will cool down at the same time it will warm up, that some islands in the Pacific are drowning while others nearby are not, that some glaciers are melting while others nearby are not, that 0.036% of the earth's atmosphere is a significant amount, that we can control greenhouse gases by exempting India and China, that ... > Are Goanetters getting the point here? I hope so. >
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