-------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Wishing all Goanetters | | a Prosperous | | and | | Happy New Year - 2006 | | Goanet - http://www.goanet.org | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Mario: > Let us propose the name of US President George > W. Bush for the Nobel Peace Prize next year for his > brilliant conception and execution of the plan to promote > freedom and democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq out of the > barrel of a gun! > Mario responds: > Tony, President Bush richly deserves to be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize for liberating 50 million Muslims from Muslim tyrants in Afghanistan and Iraq, especially since recent Nobel Peace Prize winners have been nominated without creating any peace whatsoever. > Unfortunately, it had to be done out of the barrel of a gun, since people who believe as you do either had no other solution or were sympathetic to the brutality of the Taliban and Saddam regimes. You and your ilk clearly preferred the status quo which was brutalizing the majority of the Afghan and Iraqi people, exporting terrorism to Iraq's neighbors, and threatening the western world. In the post 9/11 world where suicide attacks became a stark reality, coupled with the threat of WMD proliferation, appeasing Islamo-fascism was no longer an option, any more than it was a wise thing to do with the Nazis as Neville Chamberlain found out and millions had to die as a result. > BTW, I hope you are aware that, while the expected stockpiles of WMDs were not found, neither have they been accounted for, and may still show up like the mass graves that are still being discovered in Iraq. > Tony writes: > > The fact that Afghanistan lies on the shortest route
> for trasporting oil and gas from the rich Central > Asian oilfields to the Indian Ocean and Iraq has the second- > largest reserves of oil after Saudi Arabia is, of course, > purely coincidental! > Mario writes: > Actually, the US has more reserves in terms of oil, coal and methane gas than the entire middle-east, but is unable to access these because of environmental concerns. You seem unaware that the Europeans and Japanese are far more dependant on middle-east oil than the US or Britain are. You also seem unaware that the US does not directly benefit from Iraqi oil except as a possible buyer. Of course, any good anti-American will ignore the fact that the US controlled the entire middle-east oul supply after ejecting Saddam from Kuwait in 1991, but left and went home. > It is important for the US, as an economic and military superpower, to ensure the safety of the world economy by ensuring the free flow of oil supplies, whether for US use or not. What you have insinuated above may be a very small part of the rationale for the liberation of the 50 million Muslims, and your attempts to deflect from the primary goal clearly shows a callous disregard for oppressed Muslims. > Tony writes: > > The spread of freedom and democracy in North Korea, > Somalia, Zimbabwe (and even China for that matter!) can wait! > No prizes for guessing why Iran is the next target! > Mario wonders: > It is US policy to encourage the spread of freedom and democracy but since when has the US become the world's policeman? Isn't it the UN's responsibility to solve such conflicts around the world? You seem unaware that the US waited for 12 years for Iraq to violate 17 UN resolutions before acting there under UN resolution, which contained an ultimatum. No such situation or ultimatum applies in the countries you have cited. The US has to priotize based on what the UN is up to and based on it's own interests as well. > Tony writes: > > The US action in Iraq has provided a breeding ground for > terrorists and ensured their steady supply for years to > come. > Mario replies: > This is a falsehood born of a deliberate misrepresentation of the fact that the majority of Iraqis are not terrorists, only a miniscule number are. Also, it was the terrorists who unilaterally declared war on the US and attacked the US in escalating fashion throughout the 90's while Bill Clinton tried to appease them, and people of your ilk sat on their hands displaying the typical callous disregard for atrocities committed by fascist entities. All this was way before the regime change in Iraq, so your assertion is clearly false. > Tony continues: > > It has also ensured that US Defence Department and its > contractors will also stay in business for an equally > long time. > Mario replies: > While the US has spent billions in time, treasure and lives in order to liberate 50 million Muslims, you concern is for the business that US defense contractors may get. This is clearly an example of supreme and callous anti-American cynicism! > Tony writes: > > You would probably consider that the fact that over 60% of the > world's population was opposed to this action to be of little > consequence, since they are probbaly all Islamo-fascists and > communists anyway! > Mario replies: > You are right they are of little consequence, but do you know why? Where was that 60% while Saddam was brutalizing his own people? Where was that 60% while Osama unilaterally declared war on the US and levied all those attacks throughout the 90's? Where was that 60% when Saddam was defying UN resolutions for 12 years, while looting his own country through the oil-for-food scam? Now suddenly they show up with their selective opposition to armed conflict? > The right thing to do always trumps feckless world opinion. > BTW, don't you find it interesting that the entire left wing, including every socialist and communist around the world, sympathised with Saddam and opposed the liberation of those 50 million Muslims? Actually the Islamo-fascists are a dwindling breed, now that they have failed to thwart freedom and democracy in Afghanistan and Iraq. BTW, they are also taking heavy casualties in both Afghanistan and Iraq that the dominant media are not reporting. > Tony writes: > > The strange irony of it all is that, while the US > administration led by President Bush is busy spreading > (or rather shoving down the throat) freedom and democracy > around the world, this noble concept has taken "helluva" > beating in the U.S. itself - what with the "Patriot Act" > and the President constantly referring to his role > as "Commander-in-Chief" and seeking to justify his actions on > the basis of the Congressional resolution (passed during > the post 9/11 trauma) authorising him "to do whatever is > necessary", whilst claiming that he does not require any > Congressional or Jusicial (sic) approval for his actions!. If > this is not dictatorship, one wonders what is! > Mario replies: > Tony, you cannot create irony out of falsehoods. What you have said above is not dictatorship but a supremely cynical version of what is going on in the US which displays a level of ignorance that is truly breathtaking, but perhaps not surprising. > You are obviously unaware that our democracy is working fine given that we are at war against the Islamo-fascists and their sympathisers. You are obviously unaware that a US President is, in fact, our Commander of Chief, responsible for our security, and was given war powers accordingly by Congress "to do whatever is necessary" to defend the country after 9/11. Why would he need additional approval if he has done exactly that? The leaders in Congress were all informed, but did not need to approve anything that was going on. You are obviously unaware that the President is co-equal to the Judicial and Legislative branches of our government. You may not understand what co-equal means in this context. Perhaps you are unaware that there has not been a single documented case where the rights of an American citizen have been trampled by the Patriot Act. > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | | | | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --------------------------------------------------------------------------
