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Mario I have very mildly clashed with Ricardo previously on Goanet. If my memory serves me well, it was over his contention that, but for the Portuguese, all Goans would have been of Turkisk/Muslim provenance. Historically, this could well have been an alternative reality of course, but it was his implication that, the Goans ought to be grateful for Portuguese colonisation, because it was a better alternative, that I had found contentious. As for his next contention below, that, "all Portuguese came from Goa" (with or without a smiley), I prefer not to waste my time on obvious drivel. === Dear Cornel, I am in the process of reviewing your Vortex article wrt the Portuguese in Goa, as also the critique which it attracted. We intend to have it on the website as soon as we have cleared up up a few 'grey' areas ...but for now .... this is is response to the above from you. You are a well read man. Pray tell us what you believe would have been the more likely scenario IF not for the Portuguese arrival in Calicut, and more specifically the Battle of Diu. Did Pakistan and (now) Bangladesh become Islamic States by choice? What about Indonesia ? Now... please do take the time and explain the contention you have with Ricardo. Are you saying that the Portuguese arrival and eventual colonization was NOT a better alternative than the Turkish/Moghal control of Goa? >From your reading of History, would you NOT say that the Hindu Kings went >along with the program ......whoever the Real Masters were - as long as their own interests were OK? IF you agree with that - do you believe that the poor, oppressed and 'untouchables' would have reached this far (Shankaracharya having been noted), IF not for the Colonial Powers? I'd be interested to know good wishes jc references: 1: what is the Devadasi System http://www.ambedkar.org/buddhism/Devadasis_Were_Degraded_Buddhist_Nuns.htm 2: Mahatma Jotirao Phule Impressed by Jotirao's intelligence and his love for knowledge, two of his neighbours, one a Muslim teacher and another a Christian gentleman persuaded his father Govindrao to allow him to study in a secondary school. In 1841, Jotirao got admission in the Scottish Mission's High School at Poona. http://www.ambedkar.org/ 3: The enslaved Paravas of the Fishery Coast The coast around the Cabo was inhabited by the pearl-diver-folk known as the Paravas. They had suffered centuries of discrimination and oppression from the Hindu kings and the Muslim Arab sea lords. Eventually, they turned to the Portuguese for help and in the process and many converted to Christianity. The Paravas were then, attacked by the Arab Muslim fleet, curiously, with help of some Hindu princes. http://www.colaco.net/1/sfx.htm 4: What Vasco da Gama would find in India if he were to return today: What would India be like but for this Vasco da Gama voyage ? It is really difficult to speculate what would have happened if ! but one can only try ... ! If not for Vasco da Gama it may have been ...... the sea battles and skirmishes off Calicut and Diu .....he decisive 1539 Battle of Vedalai..... http://www.colaco.net/1/vdg3.htm 5: The Ranes of Goan Folklore While elsewhere in the New Conquests the traditional village community set-up suffered some destruction under their Dessais, the village communities of Satari ceased to exist as a result of the recurring feuds among the Ranes themselves and their attempts to assert their own feudal control and relative independence. This is a very important historical background to be taken into consideration while critically assessing the so-called contribution of the Ranes to Goa's freedom struggle. Freedom, as we now tend to understand it, seems to have been the last thing the Ranes aspired to. http://www.colaco.net/1/TRSfolkloreRaneRajput.htm _________________________________________________________________ Enter the Windows Live Mail beta sweepstakes http://www.imagine-msn.com/minisites/sweepstakes/mail/register.aspx _____________________________________________ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list ([email protected])
