Hi Jose
Am just catching up with some earlier posts and responding to yours. I am
keen to respond in the same manner you tend to respond to posts, so please,
I crave your indulgence. Will you let me do so? Thanks in advance.
I will provide a very brief comment to your post at the end. My comments
are in capitals only to highlight them. I regret my inability to highlight
by colour on this computer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dr. José Colaço" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 3:31 PM
Subject: Inquisition, Denial and Spin - a response to Marlon, Gilbert and
Cornel
If there is one lesson to learn from all this, it is that Religion has
been used by man, not to attain peace and understanding BUT for
suppression of those who dissent.
In effect, it is about power and control. The naive follow like sheep.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS JOSE? HAVE YOU DONE ANY RESEARCH FOR SUCH A VIEW OR
ASSERTION. IF YOU HAVE, WHAT WAS YOUR SAMPLE SIZE, WHAT INVESTIGATIVE
METHOD DID YOU USE, DID YOU USE STATISTICS AND IF SO,WHAT PARTICULR
TECHNIQUES DID YOU USE? WERE THEY APPROPRIATE FOR THE INVESTIGATION? WHAT
RESEARCH EVIDENCE DID YOU USE FOR COMPARATIVE PURPOSES, WHAT EXACTLY WERE
YOUR FINDINGS? HOW DID YOU TABULATE THEM? WHAT WAS THE NATURE OF YOUR
ANALYSIS? HOW DID YOU PRESENT YOUR FINDINGS AND WHERE?
AS TO THE VIEW THAT SOME FOLLOW LIKE SHEEP, THE ANALOGY OF CHRIST AS THE
SHEPHERD RINGS A BELL.
That is why it is important (I submit) that intelligent individuals look
at the topic in it's [its] entirety. If not, those who seek to prosper
from Revision (as in the infamous Goa BJP/RSS VCD) will repeat their
attempt at control via dis (rather, Semi) information.
SO DO WE TAKE IT THAT ONLY INTELLIGENT INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE ENGAGED IN THIS
KIND OF ENDEAVOUR? ONCE AGAIN, ON WHAT DO YOU BASE YOUR PREMISE ABOVE? DO
YOU HAVE EVIDENCE TO SAY THE ABOVE?
And that, if we have not realised it yet, is a fact of recent history.
WHAT HISTORY ARE YOU REFERRING TO JOSE? DOES IT HAVE A PERIOD? IS THERE A
SOURCE TO HELP THE READER FIGURE OUT WHAT YOU MIGHT BE ALLUDING TO?
It appears that there is a whole pile of denial going around:
HOW DO YOU KNOW JOSE AND WHY DO YOU NOT FIRST DEFINE DENIAL? DO YOU NOT
ASSUME THAT WE ALL KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING YOU CALL
DENIAL?
Some are in denial that the Inquisition even took place in Goa; others are
subverting the topic to suit their own ends
WOULD IT NOT HELP IF YOU EXPLAINED WHAT EXACTLY YOU ARE ADDRESSING INSTEAD
OF JUST MAKING SWEEPING STATEMENTS?
Some are in denial that Hindu temples were destroyed by Muslims and
Catholics; others are in denial that the Hindus themselves destroyed
and/or just usurped (when convenient) Buddhist temples....or that Hindus
killed Buddhists, Muslims and Catholics.
RHETORIC AGAIN WITH ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE SURELY.
It is always advantageous to put forth the view that favours the chip we
carry on our own shoulders. If we are 'socialist' in our mind set, we sing
praises of Marx and Castro, without placing into context ruthlessley
suppressed wishes, aspirations and suffering of the populace. If we are
'capitalist' in our outlook, we sing that the Righties are always right,
without placing into context the Inequalities & the ruthless dictatorships
the system breeds.
ALL WE HAVE HERE IS A STRING OF STATEMENTS. COULD THESE NOT BE PRESENTED
IN A MORE COHERENT FORM FORM WHICH ARTICULATES THE CASE YOU WISH TO MAKE
AS CLEARLY AND SUCCINCTLY AS POSSIBLE?
If we are Catholics in our faith, we are perfect, and there is nothing
wrong with what our forebears have done and what we now continue to do.
WHO SAID SO? AND WHY DO YOU POSTULATE THUS? HOW DO YOU ARRIVE AT SUCH A
VIEW?
Oh yes..the da Vinci Code is the most important thing we Catholics need to
protest about.
AGAIN, HOW DO YOU ARRIVE AT SUCH A VIEW?
If we are Hindus in our way of
life, we are the most peaceful and tolerant of people who have been victims
of others; we did and continue to do nothing wrong in the way we treat
others. On yes, the several million women who went 'voluntarily' to their
fiery end, did so to attain the status of Sati (more like the violentes who
are looking for the 72 virgins in heaven); and yes, we Hindus were not
violent - we were sent to Benaulim via an arrow and we peacefully 'annexed'
large portions of South East Asia through our "goodwill". These places were
merely coming home to the motherland.
Yeah Right!
THERE IS NO HARM IF YOU WISH TO SAY THE ABOVE BUT YOU DO NOT INDICATE WHY
YOU CHOSE THESE PARTICULAR EXAMPLES IN THE FORM OF A BIT OF A SERMON TO US
JOSE.
I believe that the legendary "Dr. Kui" put it best ....In Konlish it reads
thus: This world is samko KUI!
WHO ON EARTH IS THIS CHARACTER? AND WHAT EXACTLY IS "KONLISH" IN YOUR
PARLANCE? WHY DO YOU NOT TELL THE READER ABOUT SUCH USAGE INSTEAD OF LEAVING
US TO GUESS?
If we say that we are educated and intelligent, we should (I assume) be
able to look at the utter bias of what is being disseminated by ostensibly
intelligent people.
WHY DO YOU NEED TO SAY SOMETHING SO OBVIOUS?
It is not Religion that is bad - but those who commit atrocities in the
name of religion.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS JOSE? ONCE AGAIN, IS IT BASED ON YOUR RESEARCH OR SOME
HARD RESEARCH WHICH IS QUOTABLE?
Equally bad are those who justify their own denial about the ill actions
in the name of religion. BTW: I do not know of ONE SINGLE MAJOR RELIGION
which has not had attrocities committed in its name. If anyone knows of
one, please advise.
AGREED THIS DOES SOUND CREDIBLE.
Similarly, I know not of ONE SINGLE system (capitalism, communism,
socialism, democracy, dictatorship) which has NOT suppressed the masses
in the pronounced name of Opportunity or
Equality.
AGAIN, COULD YOU NOT HAVE SPELT THIS OUT AT LEAST A LITTLE ESPECIALLY, TO
PROVIDE A CREDIBLE EXAMPLE OF A DEMOCRACY THAT HAS DONE SUCH TERRIBLE
THINGS?
I know not on ONE SINGLE country which does not have imperialist
tendencies towards its people or neighbours (if it is able to). I know not
of ONE person in a position of power who does not attempt to manipulate
the situation. If you know one, do let me know.
Much of what we write about, is based on hearsay or on whatever record is
available. But not every group has kept a written record, not every
important incident recorded, and nor every record is impartial. Some of it
might even be planted or expunged.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THERE IS IMPARTIALITY IN HISTORICAL RECORD KEEPING? HAVE
YOU NEVER HEARD THE VIEW THAT POLITICAL HISTORY IS LARGELY THE
STORY/ACCOUNT OF VICTORS IN WARS?
In effect, we are not in a position to place ALL the cards on the table.
WHAT CARDS JOSE? WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? CAN YOU GIVE US A CLUE AS TO
WHAT IS IN YOUR MIND?
That is where we might wish to use our critical judgment, casting aside
our pet peeves and biases. Having done that, we might then wish to work
towards Peace and Better Understanding among people, especially our own.
WHO DO YOU MEAN BY "OUR OWN?"
Are we up to it, or do we wish to SPIN like a top?
SPIN WHAT JOSE?
just my view
THANK YOU JOSE FOR YOUR INSPIRATIONAL PIECE. AS THER WAS NO RESPONSE TO YOU
I DECIDED THAT THERE WAS A NEED TO DO SO. AFTER ALL YOU WOULD HAVE INVESTED
EFFORT INTO THIS POST.
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Well Jose I have posed these quesrtions in much the kind of way you have
been inclined to do when others have presented material on Goanet and indeed
elsewhere. This is easily ascertainable and I am talking about style rather
than the exact kind of wording used. It would be interesting to see if you
do recognise yourself when you have a go at others and endeavour to demolish
them-- which is the easiest thing to do incidentally.
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And now, for a small suggestion. All those who are religiously inclined
provide the same view that it is not the religion which is at fault (or is
problematic) but that there is a problem how humans use religion.
Invariably, there is an assumption that religion, as such, isn't at fault
but those who misuse it. If this is so, are you implicitly saying that if
religion was not there in the first place, humans would not have something
to misuse and we would all be better off?
Just asking in much the same way you often sign off!
Enough has been said
AGREED
Jose, this is not to discourage your own contibutions but only to point out
how
you try to demolish other people's views with your distinctive style which
can unhinge non-seasoned contributors. It did me when I first joined Goanet.
I would be the first person to admit to some such weaknesses of my own, from
time to time, but this has tended to be
when strongly challenged and not as a matter of course.
Regards
Cornel
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