FN: > This argument smacks of an authoritarian bent of mind and also an > inability to acknowledge cultural diversity ;-)
FL: What cultural diversity?? In that case Kunbis will want Kastis in school, Brahmins dhotis. Is this what you want to come by?? There is no two ways about not wanting a semblence of authoritarian bent of mind in a democracy. Look at Singapore. Is it a Police state? Like our CM Rane wants to call it? It is a perfect democracy, in that, whatever laws are passed by the parliament, these are executedto the last 'T'. Therefore there is discipline in Singapore. Democracy in Singapore does not protect the backs of offenders. In India and Goa in particular, offenders are hoisted on the thrones. Look at Narvekar, Babus Monserrate. These guys need to be behind bars. In Singapore they would be. FN:> What next? A referendum on every issue? Goa doesn't want anything; a > section is laying down the rules in the schools it runs. And you don't > grant that right to them? Even if it shows gender bias, it is an > internal matter for the school to decide on, not something for us to > indulge in grandstanding over. FL: Baaaah! So you mean to say that if I have my own school, I can enforce nudism?? I can enforce shaved heads?? The schools do have to get registered with some Authority. Doesn't it? And that Authority has some directives? So it is authoritarian to have directives??? If these directives are not followed to the T, then there is no school. Isn't it?? I want to know from you if such an Authority exists in Goa. By referendum I mean public discourse which is intermingled in a democracy. FN: >You might be getting carried away by your rhetoric, Floriano. Nobody's > asking you to wear what they demand; someone is asking for a uniform > which is more in keeping with what they perceive as their cultural > traditions. FL: I am tired of people resorting to rhetoric calling when it suits them. Nobody asked Churchill to wear kurta pajama for the Goan exhibition in New Delhi where he was the only Indian around and everyone else were westeners. No body asked Manohar Parrikar to receive the President of India the way he did. No body asked Rane, as the CM of Goa to receive the Planning Commission delegates from New Delhi wearing a pair of KEDS. Therefore, no body dare tell me what to wear. I would like to know from you the good meaning of a UNIFORM. Some day a person like me will ask for a see thro' uniform so that India looses or rather sheds it's narrow mindedness. Some Mulla will want burka enforced in schools. You get it??? I ask you again. What Culture! What Tradition? Why not Kasti and Dhoti?? FN:>More rhetoric. But you don't seem to be getting down to the issue.... At one stage, what you say against the "votes of migrant population" > was used as an argument against women's votes. Then, it was also > sought to be used against the uneducated (read: poor). FL: Bhaaah again! Are U equating your own women and your poor to MIGRANTS??????? FN:>You can afford to, your party doesn't have a single MLA. > > [Say NO to Second Term for MLAs] FL: First, when you say "your party does not have a single MLA", let me remind you Fred, that when you were born, it was minus your set of teeth. Otherwise you can go ask your Mamma for confirmation. Secondly, let me tell you here and now that when Goa Su-Raj says something, it first writes it down for all to see. Affording is besides the point. When we say "No Second Term to MLAs, this party will enforce what it says. If we don't get a candidate, we shall not contest. That's that. But this is meant for people like you to think about it. Some people ask me, "So you want your MLAs to make as much money as they can in One Term? " Wrong! Vote banks are responsible for money making. In one term the MLA cannot build a vote bank. Can he/she? Thirdly, FYI. This party has laid down a system. Ad that system will not be bastardized, ever. Other wise it will not be Goa Su-Raj Party. The president of the Constituency Working Committee will be the Candidate. If he gets elected as the MLA, he resigns as the president of the CWC. ( Not only CWC, even the Party Executives (office bearers) must resign the Party posts if elected). Another person occupies that position. By virtue of he being the president he is the next candidate. So how can the MLA come back for a ticket? He can, though. If the CWC agrees that he/she has done a good job of not bothering to cultivate a vote bank but has followed the ROAD MAP and feels that he/she deserves the next ticket. The party will never over-ride the decision of the CWC. The party's by-laws allows Second Term for its MLAs, but not the Third (consecutive). FN:> > [Say YES to Goa's own Command in GOA] > But will it be representative of the diversity of Goa? FL: Since you have asked the above question, you first tell me if the Congress High Command, the Nagpur High Command of the RSS-BJP, the Baramati High Command of the NCP, the Bangalore High Command of the Janata Party and the Kolkata High Command of the CPI(M), CPI, is representative of the diversity of Goa?????. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick "FN" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 4:51 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Talibanization of Goa > You're talking from your own perspective. There are others, equally > Goan, who don't agree with what you say. Maybe this has to do with the > history of Portuguese colonialism of Goa, and the fact that it meant > very different things for the "Velhas Conquistas" and the "Novas > Conquistas". > > If you wish to take your perspective as the norm, why shout when > Manohar Parrikar and that tiny saffron fringe does likewise, and > pushes its own standards and preferences down everyone else's throat? > Or, for that matter, when the PDF in 1990 virtually banished English > from primary schooling using some questionable arguments brought about > with dubious intent? > > On 28/06/06, Floriano Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would like to butt in on this topic even though it is late. And I thank > > Fredrick Noronha for reviving the same. > > > > Having gone through Preetam's post ( I did not go thro it earlier), I say > > that Preetam is very right. > > > > The line Fredrick is taking is a line of maha-pacification, a neutral line, > > a line where the field is open for complete anarchy. Can governance tolerate > > a pendulum swing at all times? No sir. Governance must stay solidly planted > > and must grow roots, not just folliage. > > If you don't give in to the legitimate demands of a section, then you > will have to give in to a whole lot of illegitimate demands too. > > If someone wants to wear a salwar khameez to school, what's wrong? > Some time back an editor was writing disparagingly about tee-shirt > wearing Goans. What's wrong with that? Should we be imposing our > standards on others? > > > Goa has been under the western influence for nigh almost half a millenium, > > for God's sake. I have grown up in this influence at its tail end. I for one > > will never wear a 'gaddi', the Indian version of a suit jacket or a kurta > > pajama. Simply because I have never worn any and I have no tolerance for > > these, though it is widely accepted. Can anyone force, say a gaddi or a > > kurta pajama on me? whatever may be the occasion?? Again, No sir. > > 3/4ths of Goa (by landmass) underwent a colonial experience which was > much similar to the rest of British India. No wonder every issue in > Goa (merger, language, airport, location of the university, MGP-UGP, > Konkan Railway route) gets polarised along communal/religious lines. > As long as we don't acknowledge differences in perception, we are > widening the gap. > > > Besides, I associate the gaddi and the kurta pajama absolutely with total > > corruption or total tolerance towards corruption, right from Nehru's time > > including Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru himself.. If my children want to wear a > > gaddi or a kurta pajama, it is their wish. I am out of it. > > You might be getting carried away by your rhetoric, Floriano. Nobody's > asking you to wear what they demand; someone is asking for a uniform > which is more in keeping with what they perceive as their cultural > traditions. > > > Likewise, salwar khameez as a mandatory dress code for girls in school is > > not acceptable if the particular school is registered with the main-stream > > governmental or non governmental organization, unless until there is a > > definate and unambiguous definition of the dress code. If girls are to wear > > salwar khameezes today, then the boys will wear what tomorrow? the RSS' > > Khaki shorts, white shirt and the black Gandhi topi??? > > This argument smacks of an authoritarian bent of mind and also an > inability to acknowledge cultural diversity ;-) > > > If Goa wants to get into the Indian influence and shed its western > > influence, then, as long as people like me are still alive and very much > > assertive, let there be a referendum on these sensitive issues. > > What next? A referendum on every issue? Goa doesn't want anything; a > section is laying down the rules in the schools it runs. And you don't > grant that right to them? Even if it shows gender bias, it is an > internal matter for the school to decide on, not something for us to > indulge in grandstanding over. > > > Goa Su-Raj Party is in existence in Goa now (for the past 6 years). It will > > not allow anything of this sort unless the people get a chance to speak > > about it in very definitive terms. The people of Goa are no 'Cachra' to be > > just used and discarded. They will make their decision in a most democratic > > way, but before that, let there be, (must be) long public discussions in > > every fora, every school every place even temples, churches and mosques etc, > > on these sensitive issues so that every Goan is sensitized on the merits and > > demerits of the issues at hand. > > More rhetoric. But you don't seem to be getting down to the issue.... > > > GOANS MUST NOT ALLOW GOVERNMENTS ( WHO GET ELECTED ON THE VOTES OF MIGRANT > > POPULATION) TO DECIDE FOR GOA. > > At one stage, what you say against the "votes of migrant population" > was used as an argument against women's votes. Then, it was also > sought to be used against the uneducated (read: poor). > > > [Say NO to Second Term for MLAs] > > You can afford to, your party doesn't have a single MLA. > > > [Say YES to Goa's own Command in GOA] > > But will it be representative of the diversity of Goa? > > FN _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
