>From Fred Noronha 1: As usual, Jose Colaco is shifting the debate to some trival point, questioning historical accuracies, and moving away from more substantive issues.
2: My basic point is that we *patriarchal males* are very eager to discuss the exploitation of women from *other* communities, but not from our own (i.e. Catholic Goan)! 3: Avoiding any flame-baits that could further distract from the substantive issues. JC would see that the sati issue isn't as simplistic as the paediatrician in him seeks to make it out. See the details at the very end of this post. This comes from prominent and well-received feminist historical writing, not from some denialist Indian fundamentalist attempt at re-writing history. 4: But let's not lose sight of the main point... 5: Why point to "other" communities, when we are unwilling to discuss the condition of women among our own? I don't think the issue of wearing salwar khameez to school (some schools in Goa that is, a few who opt for them) is or should be such a major concern. 6: On the contrary, we need to hear what women on Goanet see as the bigger issues facing them. These include, probably, (i) alcoholism (ii) outmigration (iii) HIV/AIDS (iv) disinheritance of Catholic women, despite the laws (v) the glass-ceiling in employment (vi) severe patriarchy among the Catholic community -- yes, even Goanet (and most of the other fora) is a good example of this (vii) patriarchy and male-control of religion (look at the gap between the role women play in Catholicism, and the say they have in decision-making) and more... **** jc's response: Thank You Fred for doing your usual ghuspott. All I will say this am ( here ) in response to the above is as follows re 1: Well said. You are, after all, the best. re 2: If you had read the first THREE points of my original post, you would NOT have written what you wrote above. On the other hand .... you may have. Besides, the rights of human beings should be discussed across the board. Those rights are not violated because of religious affiliations - BUT by MEN from EVERY religion or non-religion. re 3: OK ...the pediatrics in me is making Sati issue simplistic ( As you note) - pray give us the benefit of your learned and non-simplistic view on that. re 4: I agree re 5 and 6: And yet ....Fred Noronha has chose to write about the very issue he says ' isn't or shouldn't be such a major concern'. I am hoping that he will direct us to the many posts he has written about the REAL and ADULT (as opposed to pediatric) ISSUES facing women in Goa or wherever e.g. (i) alcoholism (ii) outmigration (iii) HIV/AIDS (iv) disinheritance of Catholic women, despite the laws (v) the glass-ceiling in employment (vi) severe patriarchy among the Catholic community -- Thank You Fred. Thank You very much. I have said my bit. Pointless re-hashing what I have already said prior. I will now wait to read what Fred Noronha has written about the "Real Issues" facing women in Goa. He is (and I stand corrected if I am wrong) the MOST prolific Goan writer, forwarder, poster, etc on GoaNet good wishes from here - as always jc please visit "NEW" on The Goan Forum at http://www.colaco.net _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list [email protected] http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org
