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Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Mario There is a huge amount of garbled thinking in your long post below. When I have some time, I will address every one of your points--many of which I find absolutely absurd in this and earlier posts. Cornel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Goveia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cause of War, Confict and Violence > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > * G * O * A * N * E * T **** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May > There is no better, value for money, guest house. > Confirm your bookings early or miss-out > > Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Would I feel insecure if I were an Iranian >> surrounded by nuclear powers? You bet I would. I'd >> want the bomb badly and especially because the West >> has absolute double standards on bomb possession. >> The West has never stopped arming itself to the >> teeth whilst asking all others to refrain from >> doing so. >> > Mario responds: >> > Only if one were blissfully unaware of history could > one continue to make uninformed comments as shown > above with no basis in context or perspective. Like > being in an intellectual tunnel. >> > To start with, who exactly was threatening Iran in > recent history other than Saddam Hussain? >> > Israel is the only country that has nuclear arms in > the middle-east, and is tacitly allowed to by the US, > not "the West", because the US believes that Israel > will only use their nukes for defensive purposes, and > because it is the only country that has been > officially targeted for extermination by force by all > it's Arab neighbors since it was formed in 1947. The > feckless UN has proven that it is incapable of > protecting such a nation under siege. >> > Since 1947 a couple of Arab states have given up on > this goal, like Jordan and Egypt, while most of the > others still have official policies that threaten to > "wipe Israel off the map". Iran is one of these > states that regularly threatens the extermination of > Israel as part of official government policy, which is > why the entire UN, which includes Russia and China, > not just "the West" of Cornel's nightmares, are > desperately trying to prevent Iran from developing a > nuclear capability. >> > Cornel's version is that the Palestinians and other > Arabs were just minding their own business in 1947, > living in peace and harmony with milk and honey > flowing freely and nubile virgins running around for > the taking, when a bunch of Jews suddenly appeared > from nowhere and started furiously attacking all their > neighbors simultaneously and have not stopped ever > since. >> > On the other hand, no one is threatening Iran's > survival, and neither does Iran need nuclear power for > civilian purposes while floating on a sea of oil. >> > Can anyone have a rational discussion with someone who > doesn't know any of this? >> > Cornel writes: >> >> Ideally, because I cannot want any country to have >> deadly nuclear weapons per se, I'd like all powers >> to work towards multilateral disarmament on >> nuclear weapons initially and then reduce other >> horrendous weapons gradually. Unfortunately, the >> West has set a bad example on this issue >> notwithstanding attempts to reduce weaponry by some >> world leaders. Regan and Gorbachev come to mind. >> Moreover, other nations are now getting to a stage >> when they can ignore what the West says. >> > Mario replies: >> > More comments from an intellectual tunnel with no > historical context or perspective. "The West" first > started down this road, fortunately or unfortunately, > in response to the Nazi-led Axis that was threatening > the entire world and working on their own nuclear > program. >> > The only use of nuclear power in war brought a brutal > war where millions had died over 4 long years to a > standstill in 4 days, saving continued mayhem and > millions of more deaths thereafter, albeit at the > expense of about 200,000 enemy lives. >> > Thereafter, it was the secular humanists of communism, > that also threatened global domination by force, that > required "the West" to continue to develop such deadly > arms to prevent the old Soviet Union from carrying out > their written manifesto, and ensured that the war > against communist hegemony remained "cold" until the > old Soviet Union collapsed from it's internal economic > contradictions. >> > MADD made sense and kept the peace and the communists > at bay until they folded like cheap suits. MADD > became obsolete on 9/11 with the advent of suicidal > Islamo-fascist maniacs with no respect for their own > lives or anyone elses. No responsible national leader > can tolerate a first strike with an WMD, and the > biological and chemical variety can fit in a suitcase > and still kill millions. >> > Cornel writes: >> >> I have a different question for you now and wonder >> if you might reflect on it: Are we able to detect >> the very first signs of the decline of American >> economic and political power even though, not yet, >> her military power? I believe that as with all >> great powers, a decline sets in eventually. >> American decline and it being superseded by China, >> especially in conjunction with India, is >> foreseeable even if this may take some time. >> > Mario responds: >> > The decline of US economic power is the dream of all > secular humanists and extreme socialists like Cornel, > who still have not realised that their socialist > economic philosophy has been jettisoned by all it's > major proponents. Maybe someone should inform Cornel > that China's economy would collapse without US > economic buying power and free market philosophy, and > that it is the US that encouraged China to reject > socialism and adopt economic reforms as a means of > avoiding their aggressive tendencies due to the mass > poverty previously bred by years of failed socialism > and communism. >> > Cornel writes: >> >> I can see Mario absolutely foaming at the mouth over >> my heresy above but wonder if the rest of our very >> sane American friends on Goanet, in particular, and >> others, might reflect on this question please? My >> question is not linked to any wish-fulfilment. It >> merely reflects my observation of what is currently >> going on economically and politically the world >> over. >> > Mario responds: >> > Uninformed fantasy with no context and perspective is > hardly worth "foaming at the mouth". Only when > quaffing my favorite Bitburger beer do I foam :-)) >> > Cornel continues his fantasy: >> >> I am inclined to believe that religion has directly >> or indirectly been the source of a very great deal >> of strife in the world. I do not accept the >> view, invariably presented by believers that, it is >> not religion that is contributory to strife but man >> who misreads religion. If this is so, the >> logic is that if there were no religion, man would >> not have something to misread/misunderstand and >> cause so much strife. >> > Mario responds: >> > It is not "religion" that has caused the strife, but > ignorant or self-serving fanatics and bigots. > Religion provides rock solid moral guidelines that > would eliminate strife if followed by everyone. >> > In the meantime the communists for whom atheism is a > central tenet, unbeknownst to Cornel, created actual > threats and wholesale worldwide strife for decades, > and continue to do so in certain areas of the world. >> > On the other hand religion and religious people, on > balance, have made and continue to make major > contributions to and actually helping the same > constituency that the secular humanists pretend to be > concerned about, but somehow never get around to doing > anything for, other than pat themselves on the back > for their supposedly "humanist" intentions. >> > I have repeatedly asked Cornel and the other secular > humanists that infest Goanet to show me what secular > humanists have actually done for anyone, from the poor > and the sick and the downtrodden to the mass murderers > of their own people in Africa and the middle-east. > Cornel was "horrified" that abstinence would even be > mentioned as part of a solution to unwanted > pregnancies and HIV/AIDS, especially among unmarried > women and teenagers. Kevin replied defensively that > secular humanists can hardly be expected to solve all > the ills caused by religion in one generation. I have > pointed out to Kevin that if they were going to cure > ANY of what ails the world, they better start > sometime. So far, all we see are good intentions > without any action whatsoever. >> > I wonder where Cornel would be without "the West" he > loathes so much? So far, all I have seen from him is > relentless, fact-free, anti-West disinformation and > propaganda. >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Goanet mailing list > Goanet@lists.goanet.org > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > _______________________________________________ Goanet mailing list Goanet@lists.goanet.org http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org