--- Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Trade unions, lobbies and secular humanists are > non-religious groups that are subject to mob > psychology and herd mentality. They have their own > moral codes. For example, here is the moral code of > one secular humanist group: > Mario responds: > Nice try, Santosh, but the discussion was about the rock solid moral codes of religions and moral organizations, not trade unions and political lobbies. Besides, I am not aware that those who describe themselves as secular humanists are members of any organized group. In fact, I am having a hard time finding anything "humanist" that secular humanists actually do. > In the context of the discussion on Goanet, you clearly tried to paint members of religious and moral organizations as having a "mob psychology" and "herd mentality", and atheists as superior students and researchers and deep independent thinkers. > If trade unionists and lobbyists are also "mobs" and "herds" I will leave it up to them to dispute. > Santosh writes: > > A rational independent thinker uses the rational > moral principle of universalizability or the > utilitarian principle of the greatest good of > the greatest number in arriving at all moral > decisions. Rational morality was discussed in great > detail by Immanuel Kant. > Mario responds: > A self-described rational independent thinker may be rational and independent, or not be. How would Santosh know for sure what any other unorganized individual atheist thinks or does not think, or whether they are independent thinkers or not. > Santosh writes: > > The Apostle Church of God whose members were > arrested has at least 50,000 members. The Northern > Nigerian Muslims, The Church of Christ (Christian > Science) and Jehowahs Witnesses have many more > members. Also one of the largest religious groups > opposes certain vaccines on the basis of the claim > that they come from aborted fetuses. > Mario responds: > Even if true and within context, which it is not, for some members of a group to be arrested has nothing to do with the moral code of the organization, and everything to do with breaking the law. Clearly they were not be arrested for doing something moral. On the other hand we have no idea what moral code, if any, are being followed by the the atheists that Santosh promotes so zealously, and generalizes about. > In the meantime the communist atheists slaughtered millions in Russia and China, Vietnam and Cambodia. > Santosh writes: > > The most famous recent case of sati is that of Roop > Kanwar. Here is a report on another more recent one > in 2002: > Mario responds: > Here Santosh uses ONE EXAMPLE of a woman who was clearly deranged by her loss, and calling it sati, a hideous social, not religious practice that has been abolished for centuries. > In the meantime the communist atheists slaughtered millions in Russia and China, Vietnam and Cambodia. > Santosh writes: > > Here is a news report on the recent prosecutions of > polygamous Mormons of Hildale, Utah and Colorado > City, Arizona: > Mario responds: > Anyone who know anything about Mormons would know that they abolished polygamy over a hundred years ago. Polygamy is also against the law. That is obviously why these people were being prosecuted. And Santosh predictably tries to make this a case against all religions and all religious people. > In the meantime the communist atheists slaughtered millions in Russia and China, Vietnam and Cambodia. > Santosh continues: > > Nudism is part of the Digambara Jain moral code. > Mario responds: > Nudism, by itself, is not immoral in private, though it would violate the law in most places if done in public which would get the nudists arrested. How does this affect all religions as Santosh is trying to suggest? > In the meantime the communist atheists slaughtered millions in Russia and China, Vietnam and Cambodia. > Santosh continues: > > Here is a link to one of many victims accounts on > Sai Babas ritualistic pedophilia: > Mario responds: > Anyone can make any claim on the internet. If this so-called victim's account were credible, Sai Baba would have been arrested and prosecuted for breaking the law. > Regardless of accusations about Sai Baba as a man, which all remain unproven, what Santosh would like to deflect attention from is Sai Baba's rock solid moral code, "Love all, serve all. Help ever, hurt never." > While Santosh may continue his increasingly desperate attempts to denigrate religion and religious people, anyone of goodwill who follows Sai Baba'd moral code, or any of the other equally rock solid moral codes of the major mainstream religions, would, by definition, be an exemplary human being. Even an atheist who follows these rock solid codes would be an exemplary human being. > So, why is Santosh so desperately trying to denigrate religion and religious people? > In the meantime, the communist atheists slaughtered millions in Russia and China, Vietnam and Cambodia. >
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