--- lenny dsouza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I totally agree with you, and we have actually > played too much cricket now its time that the two > countries, meet togather and resolve this problem. > Mario observes: > Hey, Lenny, Kiten re? That is not all that Elisabeth said, so how can you "totally" agree with her without mentioning the rest? She also said, > "India has to act and with deadly force. It has to decimate all camps along the border and even into Pakistan." [end of excerpt] > It looks like you don't agree with Elisabeth at all. > Lenny writes: > > War is not the name of the game, you all must > understand that a war today with our neighbours will > only be selecting a date for another war. This wars > will continue, because at some point you are going > to get inocent people killed, how do you expect > those people to react, same, they form another group > which is then brain washed by the remaining pest of > the war. > Mario responds: > Lenny, in case you didn't know, tens of thousands of innocent Indian people have been killed by Islamo-fascist jihadis since independence (some 60,000 by one estimate but far too many in any case), a few dozen to a few hundred at a time, while India did nothing to protect it's citizens by attacking the jihadis where they live and train, and the rest of India was just happy it was not them or their families. > "We are Indians, you see, like the Mahatma. We are resilient, we forgive our killers, we have four cheeks always at your disposal. We are better than those crazy Jews and Americans. They know nothing about dharma, karma and other such important stuff. We Indians turn right around and come back to life. The joke is on the jihadis who think they have killed us." > "Great!", replied the jihadis, "In that case we will kill only a few of you at a time. That way you are not too inconvenienced, and can return to "normal" within 24 hours. Have a nice life, until it's your turn." > India was the original target of these animals, even before Israel, America or anyone else. > In the early years the jihadis had the active support of the Pakistani government. Now, any collusion is unofficial, but the Pakistani government is itself under siege from these same animals. > The killings are being done by the world-wide Islamo-fascist movement, Lenny, with help from certain governments like Syria and Iran in particular, and the only talking that India should do with "the neighbors" [you make it sound like a polite dispute over the neighbor's garbage] is if Pakistan is agreeable to join India in clearing out the jihadis and their camps from which the terrorists are operating. "Clearing out" as in "killing them", Lenny, before they kill more innocent civilians. > The only time you have a war to select the next war is when the first war ends in a ceasefire imposed by others, without one side being soundly defeated and formally surrendering. This is the case in Kashmir and Palestine, Cechnya and Timor, where the low grade conflict continues indefinitely because the international community allowed no one to win. The international community really does not care if your people are being killed a few at a time. > You may be too young to know this, Lenny, but the Allies in WW-II did not schedule any return matches with Germany, Japan and Italy. > Lenny continues: > > These things are easy to preach but hard to > implement, i understand, but if we start today we > will be one day closer to peace. The past experience > has shown us that war can never bring peace. > Mario observes: > The past experience you selectively mention here is the wrong one. As I have said above, when one side is soundly defeated and surrenders, peace follows. Germany, Japan and Italy, after surrendering, became free democratic societies and productive members of the world community. In Palestine and Kashmir, the low grade killing has continued for decades. > I don't know where you live, Lenny, but the Islamo-fascists are coming after you, too, even if your country has tacitly supported them by opposing the US-led war on terrorism. > Lenny writes: > > They all knew, that they may be an attack, few > months ago there was a bomb scare in Borovili, that > was where the action should have been planned, more > policemen, police dogs, should have been there. This > would have made these Islamo-fascists think, One > should realise that these people travelling are the > one major part of the tax payers, and they deserve > at least that much protection. we spend millions of > rupees to protect the politician that are choosen by > the same people. but nothing for the people who make > them leaders. > Mario responds: > "They all knew?" Is that enough? Was their knowledge such that they could base some realistic action on it? Did they have any idea where or when? > If the police had taken action in Borivli, what about all the other locations that were attacked? Parel, Colaba, Mahalakshmi and Dhobitalao could have been attacked just as easily. > Mumbai is a very big place, with somewhere between 16 and 20 million people who all look alike, and only a few dozen killers. This is worse than finding the proverbial needle in a haystack. > Now it is you are preaching what is really hard to practice, without turning the place into a police state. The Islamo-fascists look just like you and me, Lenny, and unless the security forces get tips from observant neighbors, or intercepted messages, it is practically impossible to stop them, especially now that all the Islamo-fascists seem to be in a hurry to get to those 72 virgins. > The only solution is to go after them, and help them get to those virgins as quickly as possible. > India is unlikely to do that, Lenny, and many more innocent Indians will die as a result. > The neighbors may or may not be of any help. The only country that can MAKE your neighbors help is the US, and that dumbass President Bush, who has somehow prevented any attacks on the US since 9/11. >
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