--- Mario previously wrote: > > > Cornel, > > Being liberal does not make you an "odd > > character". > > > > But a political liberal unconditionally supporting > > the elimination by force of an entire country? > > Now that's odd. > --- cornel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ok please give me the evidence for your above > assertion. Please provide my words, not your > usually loony interpretation. I definitely await > a response on this point from you. > > And how do you square your assertion when I have > always stated that Israel has a right to exist in > its original borders? > > Mario responds: > The evidence lies in your strident defense of those who have had written policies for up to 58 years to destroy Israel, while attacking Israel's defensive actions to protect itself from annhilation. > Mario previously wrote: > > > A political liberal, unconditionally opposing the > > liberation of a country from a brutal dictator's > > heel? Now that's odd. > CORNEL responds: > > > You have continued this mantra which I do > > not believe many agree with. One does not need a > > brutal war on a whole people to dislodge a > > brutal dictator. I indicated my thoughts on how > > the brutal dictator could have been dislodged > > before and won't waste my time repeating myself. > > Mario responds: > Saddam Hussain had defied the whole world for 12 years, violating 16 UN resolutions, invading an menacing his neighbors, using WMDs on his neighbors and political opponents, providing scnctuary to Islamo-fascist terrorists, looting the oil-for-food program while starving his own citizens of food and medicines, raping, torturing and massacring his own people to maintain his dictatorship. He then violated a UN ultimatum contained in UN 1441. > With this background, which you studiously ignore, what make you think your puerile and pathetic solutions would have worked? > Iraq has been liberated. They have elected, in the face of death threats, a constitution and a government. So what are the Islamo-fascists now fighting so desperately against except Iraqi Muslims, attempting to deny them the freedom and democracy they have proved they want. > What you tacit supporters of the Islamo-fascist actions fail to realize is that you provide them with the moral support they live on, dream on and kill their innocent fellow Muslims on. > Cornel writes: > > > I have been following the Goanet debate > > on religion closely. I am absolutely clear that > > you have been trying to manufacture an > > anti-religious scenario by distorting what people > > have said. Distortion, as others have also said, > > is your forte! you excel at it! > Mario responds: > It is comical of you to accuse me of distortion right in the middle of distorting the attack on members of morally based organizations. Did I manufacture the comments that members of morally based groups have "fake moralities" and have a "mob psychology" and "herd mentality"? > If you have been following the thread "closely" why don't you comment on Santosh's comments above? > And how about commenting on Santosh's claim to know how all you unorganized individual atheists came to your beliefs? How would he know about anyone other than himself? > Cornel writes: > >> > > Firstly, I never said I was a rock solid > > liberal. This is a perfect illustration of your > > distortion. I would be stupid to use your > > terminolgy because there is no such thing as a > > rock solid liberal. Indeed, I had narrowed things > > down to say I was a social democrat. You tend > > miss key points like that. > Mario responds: > I don't miss anything, including your twisting and turning and obfuscating to hide behind names that suit you. In addition to admitting to be a "social democrat", albeit one who opposes democracy for the Iraqis and supports those who want to destroy Israel, you have also previously claimed to be a secular humanist. These are all different names for modern political liberals. You can run, but you can't hide. > Cornel writes: > > I am not surprised you conveniently distance > yourself from rock solid Christians like Hitler, > Stalin (who studied in a seminary till age 20) etc. > Sorry I don't buy your absurd logic when socialised > Christians from birth choose other paths and > especially Catholic Mafioso and the Cosa Nostra. It > suggests that the "rock solid Christian moral code" > is not particularly solid. > Mario responds: > How are these people you claim are "Christians" any different from you claiming to be a "social democrat" but opposing democracy for Iraqis and supporting those who want to eliminate Israel and kill all the Jews? > It is patently dishonest for you to claim that someone born into a religion cannot choose "other paths" later in life. Haven't you, Kevin, Santosh, Vivek, Aristo, and others done exactly that? >
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