Well Cecil, if you want to start this debate. OK. I knew whose house I was going to, as I've been there before. earlier occasions, a lot of local people, I mean Goans and, non-goans who have made Goa their home.
this time it was only Delhities. No, I am not uncomfortable in their company, because I have lived in Delhi, first as a child and then married life. I was under the impression it would be a mixed crowd. What the Delhities were saying is the local men were wearing very little clothes, which made the visitors to Goa uncomfortable. Hence my remark. Sorry I don't go to Bombay for a friend's wedding on one day and fly back the other. Its not my scene. By the way I have not been in Bombay for seven years. the last time was in 2001 in March for three days en-route Khatmandu. Delhi is a place which changes people and I have seen it, especially if you relocate from Bombay or Cheenai to Delhi, don't ask me why, more so if they have lived over 15 years in Delhi. I haven't met this friend from Delhi in over 10 years. the only reason I keep in contact with him is because I've known him since I was 18 and his first wife/son died tragically in the Uphaar Cinema fire at Connaught Place in 1997. He has since married again and I have not met his second wife. You have misunderstood me Cecil. What I meant to say is Goans do not want to call themselves Indians, especially if they have migrated to from India post 1961 from different parts of India to other countries. I lived in Brazil for four years. Very few Goans at that time. I was the only one who called myself Indian,. the others called themselves Portuguese. I know personally Goans who look down upon Indians and pass rude remarks about them. That is why I passed the remark. No, I do not resent anyone visiting Goa. What I resent is what is happening to go in the name of progress. Cheers Ana Maria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cecil Pinto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:37 AM Subject: Must you come to Goa this time? > Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami wrote: > During the new year weekend it looked like the whole of Delhi descended in > goa. Went for a cocktail party with a friend at someone's mansion. guess > what, I was the only Goan Only Delhities and a couple of government people. > > > Cecil: > And you were expecting what? Kunbis and gawdas from Salcete? > Surely you were aware of what the composition of the guests would be? > That you still chose to go means you are comfortable in their company. Or > aren't you? > > Reminds me of another woman on this forum who went to a party at Fundacao > Oriente and was shocked to hear Portuguese being spoken! > > --------- > > Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami: > Oh, goa is so beautiful? but the local men wear swimsuits, I think they > meant khastis. I kept quiet, and then remarked. this is what they wear in > Goa. Do you expect goans to swim in full atire and women to wear saris? they > kept quiet. > > > Cecil: > I didn't quite get what you are trying to say. > Firstly it is very rare to see Goan men wearing kashtis and secondly yes, > many Goan women do use a saree as a swimsuit. Go to Baga in may and see for > yourself. What is the point you are trying to make? > > ---------- > > Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami: > Another very close friend, flew in from Delhi on the 31st to attend Vijay > Mallaya's party and Babu Keni's party at the Mandovi. flew back on the 1st. > It really sickened me. > > > Cecil: > Why did it sicken you? > If you went to Mumbai to attend a friend's wedding or party and flew back > on the next day should it sicken someone else? > If these friends' behavior sicken you why do you still maintain your > friendship with them? > > ----------- > > Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami: > How can people spend that kind of money, why can't they donate to some needy > individuals, to the poor and underpriveleged? > > > Cecil: > And how do you know that they are not donating to worthy causes? Also keep > in mind that everything is relative. Somewhere on the hillside in Betim is > a poor carpenter's assistant who looks at your lifestyle and says the same > thing of you. > > But most important Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami is to clarify what exactly > your point is. At the GoaNetter's met you went out of your way to drive > home the point that Goans are not in any way superior to Indians in > general. It seemed incongruous at the time that a GoaNetter at a GoaNetters > meet is going out of her way to unfavourably compare Goans with "Indians". > But given that there was sense in what you said (despite it not being the > ideal venue for such a discussion) nobody objected for the simple reason > that your voice at least helped to partially drown out the two > Australian-Goans (one not even subscribed to GoaNet!) at the meeting who > seemed to have an aggressive agenda of their own which nobody else could > identify or sympathize with. > > Anyway Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami, do you resent the non-Goans visiting > Goa? Or do you resent only Delhites? What specifically is your standpoint > and what solutions do you proffer? > > Cheers! > > Cecil > > P.S. > I have known Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami as a friend for a long time. Before > the crusading Joan of Arc takes up cudgels uninvited, this is not an attack > on Ana Maria, but just seeking for clarification of a publicly stated > viewpoint that is contradictory. > > ======== > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/2007 > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release Date: 1/6/07 7:47 PM > >
