Hi Fred
Re your post, surely the issue is that, upward social mobility brought about largely through education and higher occupation is what most parents want for their children.

My understanding is that upward social and occupational mobility creates space for those who literally step in the 'lowly' shoes of those who have moved up. It is also my understanding re those yet to become occupationally mobile, and unfortunately identified in some Goanet posts as "gulfies, shipies" etc as well as ramponkars, renders (who may incidentally wish to retain their historic occupation) that, human dignity is indivisible and that we need to treat all with the respect they deserve.

I know the writings of Srinivas, of course, but am I missing something in terms of your specific post on this issue?

Re your point about the Goan tourist worker who may be more at ease with a white tourist than a local bigwig, this is inevitable in the utterly obnoxious Goan caste climate that endeavours to label by caste or casteicise (my construct and not yet in dictionary!) every Goan in sight even if the 'recipients' of such attention have absolutely no clue about caste, especially if they have been Goan diasporians and away from India for three or more generations. Indeed, if they did discover the depth of Catholic Goan preoccupation with caste, (assuming not having imbibed it with their mother's milk), they would be dismissive of something that exercises resident Goans in Goa so much that, they simply can't resist the key question about where you or your father come from---a question they generally forget to ask the white man in Goa and when it would definitely be more appropriate!
Regards
Cornel
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frederick "FN" Noronha" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:43 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan "shippies" and "gulfies"

Much of Selma's "lack of dignity of labour" is about the low social status and contempt that the "upper castes" (Bamons and other so-called elites) have attached to the work of the less-affluent. How many of us, giving big talk here, would like our children to grow up to be ramponkars, renders, toddy-tappers, and day-labourers in the village fields? Or is dignity of labour a concept only for others? It is no surprise that a fisherman's son would prefer to leave his traditional job, move to a less caste-stratified tourism sector, and at least be treated as almost-human by a White tourist for whom social markers in Goa are less strong or visible than for the average Goan!


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