*GL Referring Message: 3 Message-ID: < [email protected]> Of Thu, 30 Apr 2020 20:52:22 +0000 (UTC) in response To Noronha
You both make the following SIX points First *I agree that* the rise and the decline of the Jesuits in Goa is a complex story.? Secondly, Fr Naik does a good job in letting critical perspectives go through.? He cites other Jesuit work (Dr Charles how SJs in past centuries "bought lands, received donations and endow,,,,? In the process they became powerful landlords and financiers." Third GL responding states :” White plantocracy ( Is PLANTOCRACY a mere typo or did the SJ bexome Plantation Owners in Brazil as FN suggests. Whether Part of chasing away the natives from Goa and settling retired white soldiers was colonial policy and had little to do with the *Inquisition;* and really occurred before the Inquisition was introduced to Goa.? Fourth Unfortunately some historians and writers merge everything together. *Yes very much so and it would require serious research work * Fifthly, religion and colonialism (Portugese , British, Dutch Spanish) go to together by displacing the native population and acquiring their land was the whole basis of colonialism rewarded their soldiers with new land. Sixth Your view, ancestors of most present-day land-owners came to Goa in the 18th century, after the White plutocracy left Goa for Brazil.? And much of the conversion occurred in the 18th century rather than in the 16th century.? Feed-back welcomed Regards, GL *My ten cents bit is as follows* First *I agree that* the rise and the decline of the Jesuits in Goa is a complex story? I hope that with the transport situation returning to Normal I can purchase the two books on the Jesuits and also have an opportunity to read the footnotes. Secondly, Fr Naik seems to suggest that the SJs became powerful, accruing wealth, land, lending money etc could be that they became the new PLUTOCRATS who did the same thing in Brazil and now in the 21 Century, the Brazilian head of State, an Italian migrant, wants to drive away all Africans. Africans did not come to Brazil in rowing boats..they were taken as SLAVES Thirdly regarding :” White plantocracy ( Is PLANTOCRACY a mere typo or did the SJ beome Plantation Owners in Brazil as FN suggests. Whether Part of chasing away the natives from Goa and settling retired white soldiers had little to do with the *Inquisition;* and really occurred before the Inquisition was introduced to Goa.? My concern is the INQUISITION . The Society was of Jesus and St Francis were simply not responsible. Put the blame on the DOMINICANS. Jesus did not force anybody to follow him. Fourth I agree that some historians and writers merge everything together. *Yes very much so and it would require serious research work The RC church keep very good records of births deaths etc, It could be a lot of work especially as the number of Portugee speaking Goans has declined * Fifthly, religion and colonialism (Portugese , British, Dutch Spanish) go to together by displacing the native population and acquiring their land was the whole basis of colonialism rewarded their soldiers with new land. I saw blatant examples of this in Zimbabwe….expecially after World War 11 Sixth Your view, ancestors of most present-day land-owners came to Goa in the 18th century, after the White plutocracy left Goa for Brazil.? And much of the conversion occurred in the 18th century rather than in the 16th century.? Seven your view that “” ancestors of most present-day land-owners came to Goa in the 18th century, after the White plutocracy left Goa for Brazil.? And much of the conversion occurred in the 18th century rather than in the 16th century.? Once again it is really a very mixed bag including what happened in Quepem. Finally. A really burning and itching questions?? Why did the early Jesuits simply not want to hear of the Pre European Catholics…and indeed destroy the records.Surely they heard about the epic journey of Apostles Thomas and Bartholomew from Jerusalem through Persia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bombay and possiby Goa (Betul) Grandolfo In Quepem
