Hi; Interesting article;
http://toi.in/oUvGnb53/a31ga9 Regards Rock Furtado Sent from my iPhone > On 31-Aug-2021, at 9:54 PM, [email protected] wrote: > > Send Goanet mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Goanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fr JADa Costa leaves a legacy to cherish (Nelson Lopes) > 2. Re: Afghanistan - Land of endless war (Mervyn Lobo) > 3. Beware of some Goa Relate websites (Joao Barros-Pereira) > 4. Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the so-called > 'Goan Identity' (Ant?nio Cola?o) > 5. Re: Beware of some Goa Relate websites (Roland Francis) > 6. Re: Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the > so-called 'Goan Identity' (Roland Francis) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 06:57:40 +0530 > From: Nelson Lopes <[email protected]> > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > <[email protected]> > Subject: [Goanet] Fr JADa Costa leaves a legacy to cherish > Message-ID: > <CACCOymKctDpsyjmJ4q90bOg3w=ghh884hbfcs1nyd7zxe9x...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Threatened, resorts to defamation game > To sully reputation,records ,popularity and his name > Acts of deceit of receipts weighed on mind > Ambitions of promotions, an axe to grind. > > English mass , stopped loss to parish > A boon to surrounding villages to cherish, > Self ,business interest ,prominence at stake > Defamation strategy , no dent did make. > > Focussed energies on the building to raise > Monumental efforts to get funds deserve praise > Obstruction to science stream, never did yield > accomplished a dream with influence he does wield > > Approach and surroundings to college vital need > Stage on the ground, lighting,a shelter at cemetry praiseworthy indeed > High mast , vandalism of assets to check > A freak accident rolled progress back > > The Cemetry renovated beautified a lift and face, > Extension ended encroachment ensured space > Ground outside ,raised .,levelled a place to park > Cemetry painted , graves built mothing to bark > > Mother Theresa chapel prevented from ruins and fall > Aesthetic tribute to St Vaz stands tall > College painted and a well conceived hall > A boon to Parishioners a facility for all. > > Double fans ,Chandeliers enhance comfort and grace > Retreats , spritual activities occupied equal space > A hearse van , a morgue feel the void and need > A niche to st Anthony , renovation of Monument on cards indeed > > Soccer lover conducted st Vaz tournament of football > Promoted music school took imitative and call > Wrote lyrics produced CD amazed all > In life high and mighty with illness do fall > > Accomplishments > . galore leaves legacy behind > Trust institutes awards in his honour to remind > A sports magazine salutes him raises the toast > A writer, playwright, preacher ,soccer lover,steeped in sprituality > rightly can > boast > > Fr JA da Costa is entombed, etched in the minds and hearts > Leaves a legacy of monumental achievements as he departs > Parishioners wish him long life, good health > To passionately work for the glory of good and humanity till last > breath > > > > Nelson Lopes Chinchinim > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 04:34:40 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mervyn Lobo <[email protected]> > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Afghanistan - Land of endless war > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Folks,?US military commanders assured us that they blew up their munitions, > equipment, aircraft (aircraft? who?blows up their own?aircraft?)?and military > posts before leaving Afghanistan.? > > > Usually, the victors of?a war are left with extra military equipment -?which > is the position the Taliban find themselves in. Videos on US tv networks show > the Taliban entering hangers with US made aircraft in them. US generals > responded by saying that those are not US aircraft but rather they are owned > by the Afghan govt :-)? > > > Today, the same??US generals admit that a cache of 300,000 machine guns might > not have been destroyed! > > > In the next few days, we will get more details on the best/worst way to hand > power back to the enemy you were sent to defeat.? No one doubted that the > Afghans would defeat the invaders. The surprise is that the Soviet retreat - > last century -??now seems to be ten times more efficient than the US one. > > > > Oh! one last thing. The US claim to have in the last few days?evacuated > 100,000 people from Kabul airport, an airport that the Taliban were given the > job of vetting who could get near the evacuation?gates. These evacuees are on > their way to the US. > > > Mervyn > > > > > > > > ? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 14:31:31 +0530 > From: Joao Barros-Pereira <[email protected]> > To: goanet <[email protected]> > Subject: [Goanet] Beware of some Goa Relate websites > Message-ID: > <CAHg__J7pEaxBend3vdmBPgNdAbHnW8km-fdx4CU=q=h0jm7...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Ladies and Gentlemen > > With the elections not too far away, it is the season of observation - > Goan scientists and non-scientists need to keep both eyes focused on > issues and support to political parties and individuals who might > really be foxes wearing sheep skin. > > Take a close look and do not blink or you might be a blink or two away > from being taken for a royal ride. The time is ripe for our iconic > Goan hypocrisy! > > Watch carefully which stories are not to be seen on these websites, > how some stories are hyped, and others shattered and battered beyond > recognition. > > Websites will be used to promote certain people and denigrate others > simply because some people want to support some people. Facts are > ignored, twisted and misrepresented for the purpose of a hidden > agenda. More later. > > Meanwhile, have fun and turn on the spotlight on our prized vermin - > allow them a few seconds of fame. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:10:08 +0100 > From: Ant?nio Cola?o <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Goanet] Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the > so-called 'Goan Identity' > Message-ID: > <CAGt=gnmdemehcgoqsutsjnbxbvnsf7kxdx-3xkmq41d0i_n...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > De: Ant?nio Cola?o <[email protected]> > Date: segunda, 1/03/2021 ?(s) 11:46 > Subject: Re: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the so-called 'Goan > Identity' > To: Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> > > > Concerning Goan Identity I do respect all the expressed perspectives. I'm a > goan, 82 years old, born and bred in Ribandar - which I visit every three > years, until recently. I came to Portugal, when I was 19 years old, to > proceed with my Law studies, having ended up as Justice of the > Supreme Court of Justice (jubilado) - Lisbon. At that time, there of > course existed a goan identity, coinciding with the original goan > community.during the long period of portuguese colonialism. However, from > the then existing 400/450.000 people, the population of Goa, since 1961 > boosted to above 1.800.000 habitants, giving rise to the formation of a new > goan identity. New human social relationships were established, new social > behaviour, customs and habits.This does not entitle us to say that there > may be many goan identities. Goan identity is one and the same, however > changeable in its composition in accordance with evolution and time. The > least we can afford to say is that of an *absorption* of the goan identity > existing in Portuguese times by the uprising identity from 1961. > Let me explain my idea in more detail. Groupal identity is a *dynamic > social reality*. This identity is sustained by successive *generations. *Based > on the average span of time of each generation being more or less that of > 30 years, we can assume that, due to the colonial impact being unaltered > (same colonizer and the same social local stratum) the > successive generations (15) brought insignificant changes in the social > sphere, and as such one can refer to a an homogeneous identity on the goan > people - hence the goan identity of that epoch ( it must be remembered that > that colonialism inGoa lasted 450 years, whereas the historical Empires > (Mauryan <Emperor Ashoka>), Kadambas or Vijyanagar) lasted less time). But > with the annexation of Goa, the incoming non-goan migrants from > the other parts of India, contributed for an increase in population 4,5 > times superior than the one existing during the portuguese occupation. This > process, that started circa 58 years ago covers practically 2 new > generations, mixing harmoniously the original goans and the new-comers > migrants, giving rightfully rise to the actual goan identity, is certainly > to last long. So, if one wants to refer to the goan society existing > during the portuguese time, it would be more correct to express it as > the *goan > community. Ant?nio Bernardo Cola?o * > > . > > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ? >>> >>> >>> >>> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 10:28:52 -0400 > From: Roland Francis <[email protected]> > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Beware of some Goa Relate websites > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Talking of abstracts like this is little use to the reader. > You should have backed it up with a few examples. > > Roland. > Toronto. > > >> On Aug 31, 2021, at 5:01 AM, Joao Barros-Pereira >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Ladies and Gentlemen >> >> With the elections not too far away, it is the season of observation - >> Goan scientists and non-scientists need to keep both eyes focused on >> issues and support to political parties and individuals who might >> really be foxes wearing sheep skin. >> >> Take a close look and do not blink or you might be a blink or two away >> from being taken for a royal ride. The time is ripe for our iconic >> Goan hypocrisy! >> >> Watch carefully which stories are not to be seen on these websites, >> how some stories are hyped, and others shattered and battered beyond >> recognition. >> >> Websites will be used to promote certain people and denigrate others >> simply because some people want to support some people. Facts are >> ignored, twisted and misrepresented for the purpose of a hidden >> agenda. More later. >> >> Meanwhile, have fun and turn on the spotlight on our prized vermin - >> allow them a few seconds of fame. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:06:18 -0400 > From: Roland Francis <[email protected]> > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fwd: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on > the so-called 'Goan Identity' > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Dear Antonio, or should I be more formal and say Justice Colaco, > > Your views are noted and while I and Goans of my generation, specially those > in the Diaspora will agree, some of those living in Goa with the original > Goan identity as you defined it, will disagree. > > In the current context of India?s gigantic population numbers, Goa in my view > can happily accommodate a 5 million population. Given the continuing > migration of Goans to other lands, a phenomenon that existed much before the > Portuguese left, it was natural that hordes of other Indians washed ashore. > That in itself is not a problem. > > What is a real problem is that Goa is more affluent that the other places in > India, originally (not any longer) more law abiding and honest. But given the > thoroughly corrupt and greedy politicians they continually vote in (who > happen to be original Goans by the way) the dirty water flowed in and mixed > in with the clear water, making everything filthy. > > What you are seeing now in Goa is the transition. That will continue until > all the once crystal-clear liquid already much tainted, turns to the sewage > that exists in the land in which it is surrounded. > > As you know, water seeks its own level and it is only a short matter of time > for the land-grabbing, cheating, dirty politics, little care for the law and > population density to exceed the 5 million it can bear. A look not at Indian > big cities but at smaller towns in the rest of the country that groan under > densities of 10 million or more will give you an indication of how much Goa > has room to bloat, it being much larger than a small town. > > Nature dictates that the quantum of filth when encouraged or even ignored, > tends to grow larger than all surrounding filth. A clear example of this is > the Sonsddo phenom outside Margao. And people who matter in the sense of > being able to contain the rot, are busy piling some of that rot into their > own pockets. Then they die of pancreatic cancer and suchlike with no > provision in their will that the rot be buried with them. > > There are of course some good things that have arrived on Goan shores in > addition to the filth. They are some of the best of Indian society that were > attracted to the Lusitanian heritage of the Goan people, traits that you of > course know about and need not be explained to you. While some these > newcomers may be crass, others uplift Goan society. However the problem is > that such society is fleeting. When the sewer of Goa overflows, they will > flee to other undiscovered but still beautiful small places in India that may > not be as wealthy as Goa is now, but with their wealth, that would be of no > matter. > > Roland. > Toronto. > > >> On Aug 31, 2021, at 7:10 AM, Ant?nio Cola?o <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> De: Ant?nio Cola?o <[email protected]> >> Date: segunda, 1/03/2021 ?(s) 11:46 >> Subject: Re: [GRN] How long will ... (or some ideas on the so-called 'Goan >> Identity' >> To: Goa-Research-Net <[email protected]> >> >> >> Concerning Goan Identity I do respect all the expressed perspectives. I'm a >> goan, 82 years old, born and bred in Ribandar - which I visit every three >> years, until recently. I came to Portugal, when I was 19 years old, to >> proceed with my Law studies, having ended up as Justice of the >> Supreme Court of Justice (jubilado) - Lisbon. At that time, there of >> course existed a goan identity, coinciding with the original goan >> community.during the long period of portuguese colonialism. However, from >> the then existing 400/450.000 people, the population of Goa, since 1961 >> boosted to above 1.800.000 habitants, giving rise to the formation of a new >> goan identity. New human social relationships were established, new social >> behaviour, customs and habits.This does not entitle us to say that there >> may be many goan identities. Goan identity is one and the same, however >> changeable in its composition in accordance with evolution and time. The >> least we can afford to say is that of an *absorption* of the goan identity >> existing in Portuguese times by the uprising identity from 1961. >> Let me explain my idea in more detail. Groupal identity is a *dynamic >> social reality*. This identity is sustained by successive *generations. >> *Based >> on the average span of time of each generation being more or less that of >> 30 years, we can assume that, due to the colonial impact being unaltered >> (same colonizer and the same social local stratum) the >> successive generations (15) brought insignificant changes in the social >> sphere, and as such one can refer to a an homogeneous identity on the goan >> people - hence the goan identity of that epoch ( it must be remembered that >> that colonialism inGoa lasted 450 years, whereas the historical Empires >> (Mauryan <Emperor Ashoka>), Kadambas or Vijyanagar) lasted less time). But >> with the annexation of Goa, the incoming non-goan migrants from >> the other parts of India, contributed for an increase in population 4,5 >> times superior than the one existing during the portuguese occupation. This >> process, that started circa 58 years ago covers practically 2 new >> generations, mixing harmoniously the original goans and the new-comers >> migrants, giving rightfully rise to the actual goan identity, is certainly >> to last long. So, if one wants to refer to the goan society existing >> during the portuguese time, it would be more correct to express it as >> the *goan >> community. Ant?nio Bernardo Cola?o * >> >> . >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > > > End of Goanet Digest, Vol 16, Issue 460 > ***************************************
