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Today's Topics:
1. Translation of lyrics (domnic fernandes)
2. Re: Believer does not really Belive ref Vol 2, Issue 587
(Gabe Menezes)
3. Today's reflections (Albert Desouza)
4. Thanks for info on acco. in delhi (Suhas Gaonkar)
5. Re: Goa to Portugal - the journey of art .............the
three-day Global Goan Convention in Lisbon
(Henrique Salles da Fonseca)
6. Bhandare's musings - request for Sunith (Bhandare)
7. Re: Goa now a listing on CraigsList (Mervyn Lobo)
8. Re: why *some* missionaries get a "raw deal" (Gilbert Lawrence)
9. Will employees be punctual now? (domnic fernandes)
10. Re: Who is a fascist (Roland Francis)
11. Person of Goan origin elected Maior of Lisbon (Bernado Colaco)
12. First Konkani Karaoke song (Edward Verdes)
13. Re: Catholic Schools - Something for Nothing. (Roland Francis)
14. more masjid trouble at Chinchinim (Bhandare)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:48:26 -0400
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Subject: [Goanet] Translation of lyrics
To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Hello Sharon,
Many thanks for promptly clarifying that the song 'Scientist' is composed by
Wilson but sung on the audio cassette by Michael. I like all songs on
'WILMIX Konkani-Originals' Album No.1. It would be a great idea if you
could come up with a CD of this album so it remains for posterity, as audio
cassettes tend to get spoiled over a period of time. Please ensure that you
mention on CD cover that lyrics of all songs are composed by Wilmix Wilson
Mazarello.
Whenever I find time, I write down lyrics of Konkani songs and post them on
Goan websites. I do this to promote Romi Konkani which is so dear to all of
us. One of these days I will be posting lyrics of one more song from the
album.
I thank you once again for your prompt reply.
Best regards,
Domnic Fernandes
Shamaz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hello Domnic,
'KOnkani Originals' Album NO. 1 - ALL THE SONGS lyrics IN THIS ALBUM ARE
COMPOSED BY MY HUSBAND WILMIX WILSON MAZARELLO.
On this album, the singing of the songs is done by four people i.e. Wilmix
Trio (Wilson, Michael, Xavier) and Sharon. I have sung the solo song 'Dovo
Parvo'. That does not mean I have composed the song. I have lent my voice to
the song. Likewise, the song 'Scientist' is composed by Wilson but it is
sung on the audio cassette by Michael (his Trio partner then). Michael has
lent his voice to the song.
Hope this clarifies yr point.
Regards - Sharon Mazarello.
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
>I have the original audio cassette with me. The inner as well as outer
>cover (back side) clearly mentions Michael's name as singer of the song -
>Scientist (Michael). Would Wilson/Sharon kindly confirm if this is a
>mistake? Thanks in advance.
>
>Moi-mogan,
>
>Domnic Fernandes, author of "Domnic's Goa - A nostalgic romp through a
>bygone era"
>Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
>Tel: (966 3) 877-2744; Home: (966 3) 876-2676; Mobile: (966 5) 0281-9101
> >"SCIENTIST" by Michael of WILMIX
>
>RESPONSE: On another site was the following....
>
>I am taking the liberty of replying to you since the lyrics you are
>asking for are composed by my husband Wilmix Wilson Mazarello and
>not Alfred Rose. This song is recorded on our Album No. 1 Konkani
>Originals.... Regards - Sharon Mazarello.
>
>So, it is not by Michael of WILMIX ?
>
>DEV BOREM KORUM.
>
>Gabe Menezes.
>London, England
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 15:20:47 +0100
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Subject: Re: [Goanet] Believer does not really Belive ref Vol 2, Issue
587
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
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On 16/07/07, rui nuvo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hei Folks,
>
> I was uncertain from what he was saying whether one of our contributor
> articles Kevin Saldanha was an Evolutionist, a believer of the Faith
> and I inquired on his views of the delicate relationship between Hope
> and Faith. So I asked him to clarify. To be fair to the man he came
> across clearly stating where he stood on these issues.
RESPONSE: kevin, will return soon, if not later. In fact, I believe he
has already performed Catholic rites in a Church, not that long ago
:-)).
The bottom line is, Kevin proposes but Lisette Saldanha disposes..say no more!
--
DEV BOREM KORUM.
Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:16:46 +0000
From: "Albert Desouza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Today's reflections
To: [email protected]
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Some of the Jews came to Jesus and said"Rabi how is that your disciples
eat with unclean hands while John's disciples did not do such a thing?
"Jesus answered "What goes inside your system goes in and goes out and is
not harmful whereas what comes out within you is really harmful.If one
reflects on this you will notice that we are so worried about w hat goes
in.We are worried about the water that we drink, the plate in which we
eat,etc etc.We use soap and water to keep our hands free from germs etc .We
often forget that God has give us immune system which can fight against any
germs.If your body is weak it is your fault.As a child your parents had
given lots of commands to you.Don't drink water without boiling it.Now it
is boil the water and filter it.If a child puts something in the mouth we
quickly remove it.We are so particular about all this.I was once travelling
to Bangalore and a family got into the bus.Before sitting the man sprayed
the s eat to get rid of the germs.They were very particular ab out the
cleanileness and were grumbling that the bus was dirty, that dirty peo ple
were travelling in the same bus.What we actually forget is the matter that
comes out from our body.Many times our heart is not pure.If you hate
someone you get t ensed up and may affect your heart.You are jealous of
someone that creates hypertension and yo umay get v arious diseases
too.Today man suffers from hypertensions,paralyses, diabetes,and what not
all because his heart has no place for love.He does not love anyone.He does
not talk to strangers.He does not talk with his neigbhours.Many times
people living in flats do not even know who lives nextdoor.We tame big dogs
and leave them loose because we do not want anyone to visit us.Our gates
have"Beware of dogs.I do not know whther it is two legged or four.Many of us
tame dogs and do not bother about them.These dogs are a nuisance to
travellers on roads.Many of our so called human are thrown out from their
motor bikes and some of them have died.We are least bothered. Our cattle is
creating nuisance on the roads and in the compounds we are not bothered.Many
times we do not bother about our neighbour.TV and radio is on full blast
irrespective whter it is night and someone is sleeping.Unless and untill we
know who lives next door and call him brother we cannot achieve salvation.
Albert
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:37:35 -0400
From: "Suhas Gaonkar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Thanks for info on acco. in delhi
To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Dear FN, Richard,Dr. Anjali Rao,Alba, Jeevan,Joe,
Thanks for the info about goa sadan and other acco. facilities. Though i
didn't stay there this time probably next time i time i'll stay there.Mr.
Agha was vey much helpful.
Thanks and regards
suhas
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 18:39:27 -0400
From: "Henrique Salles da Fonseca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa to Portugal - the journey of art
.............the three-day Global Goan Convention in Lisbon
To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> From: "Gabe Menezes"
>
QUESTION: Why do people desperately seek out a Portuguese passport ?
> Are there plentiful jobs available in Portugal ? Is India so bad that
> people want to get out, at any cost ?
>
> Or is a Portuguese passport an entitlement to hassle free entry into
> any E.E.C. Country ?
>
> We have been variously informed, that there are 100,000 people of Goan
> origin in Portugal. I find that hard to believe, one hardly sees many
> Goans in Lisbon...probably see more Goans on trains in London !
> --
>
ANSWER to "...probably see more Goans on trains in London !":
Because Goans in Portugal are wealthy integrated persons and mainly use
private cars.
Best regards,
Henrique Salles da Fonseca
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 17:06:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Bhandare's musings - request for Sunith
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
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Dear Sunith,
After you are done playing Freud would you care to
itemise which of my information was not supported by
proof?
Can you please indulge me this time, and please be
specific?
regards
Bhandare
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:59:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mervyn Lobo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa now a listing on CraigsList
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
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Pandu Lampiao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Google-owned Craigs List, a mostly free and
> well-used small-ad advertising-on-the internet
> service (Goanetters from N Am/some parts
> of Europe, Oz may be familiar) now has Goa as a
> listing: http://goa.craigslist.org/
Punda,
1) Google does not own Craigs List.
2) See my advert for a Tortilla chip that looks like
the Pope's hat.
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 19:11:25 -0700
From: Gilbert Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] why *some* missionaries get a "raw deal"
To: [email protected]
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Hi Bhandare,
Have you written to these authors / groups to enlighten them and engage them in a
dialogue? If they are engaged in criminal activities, there is the legal system to take
recourse and address grievances. There is absolutely no place for physical violence and
"a raw deal", and to take the law in one's own hands. Please do not think that
there are distortions only on the Hindu faith.
There are distortions also on the Catholic faith, including on this bulletin board,
including by yourself. And merely providing a web link does not make an allegation true
or a distortion a fact. The Catholics in the 21st century do not give "a raw
deal" to the perpetrators of or those who spread these distortions.
Today, there are more civilized and effective ways to challenge distortions.... however
despicable they may be. I hope you condemn the RSS cadres and their higher echelons in
India, who take the law in their hands and give a "raw deal" for perceptions of
or even factual existence of distortions about Hinduism.
Kind Regards, GL
----------------- Bhandare
The following are excerpts from a evangelical publication called Haqeeqat (The
Reality) written by M C Mathew, and published by Dr D M Thomas and Samuel
Thomas of Emmanuel Literature Society.
On page 100 : 'Ram?s wife Sita was taken away. She was left in forest according
to wish of Ram. Later Ram permitted Laxman to kill Sita. This Laxman was
defeated in fight by Ram, and later Ram disgusted with his life drowned himself
in Saryu. All this happened
with advice, consent and religious belief of half-naked sadhus of Hindutva'.
On p.269 it says: 'In modern world many Ramas of this belief are living
carefree. They marry several times, desert their wives, and leave them. Many
Ramas kill their Sitas. They are following their god Rama.'
There are many more extremely vulgar and derogatory comments about Arya Samaj,
hindu deities, Hindu saints like Ramakrishna, Swami Vivekananda, Sri Aurobindo,
Swami Dayanand Saraswati, Satya Sai Baba, Ma Amritanandamayi and so on.
While the secular press made a big deal about activities of the hindutva
activists, why was every one silent about this hate peddling?
The fact remains that if such texts are circulated in hindi in areas like rajasthan ,
missionaries will continue to get a "raw deal"
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:58:58 -0400
From: "domnic fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Will employees be punctual now?
To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I worked in the Local Self Government Department (LSGD) in Goa Secretariat
from 1967 to 1971. Dayanand B. Bandodkar was Goa's Chief Minister at the
time.
Office reporting time was 10:00 am; ten minutes late sign-in or grace time
was allowed. Every morning a sign-in roster for every department was left
on a large table in the main hall where employees signed-in. The sign-in
roster was collected at around 10:15 am.
News had reached the CM that many Secretariat staff reported to work late.
Mr. Bandodkar did not waste time. The next day he reported to office early.
At exactly 10:10 he instructed Mr. Sirsat, the security officer, to collect
sign-in rosters. He then toured the building along with his PA (Personal
Assistant), visited every office and questioned the staff whenever he came
across an empty chair. A list of late comers was compiled and sent to heads
of departments with a request to summon the concerned employees, counsel
them and issue them a warning notice. Anyone with a genuine justification
was excused; others were punished. Boy, were we scared? From the next day
forward, everyone was punctual!
To his credit (in my opinion), overall, D.B. Bandodkar remains one of the
best Chief Minister's Goa ever had. If we will have to act, let's at least
follow the Wild West motto of yore: "If you want to shoot, shoot; don't
talk" (I think it was Clint Eastwood's line from the 1966 movie 'The Good,
The Bad, and The Ugly'). Whether it's the Chief Secretary or Chief
Minister, if you want to take action, go ahead and do it; don't keep
talking. We hope JP Singh's initiative and Digambar Kamat's concern brings
about improvement in attendance punctuality. We also hope the officials are
more courteous towards general public.
I often tell government employees in Goa, that if they were required to work
hard like us in the Gulf countries, India would not be considered a third
world country - we would have prospered by leaps and bounds.
Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes, author of "Domnic's Goa - A nostalgic romp through a
bygone era"
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
Tel: (966 3) 877-2744; Home: (966 3) 876-2676; Mobile: (966 5) 0281-9101
Will employees be punctual now?
PANJIM: Chief Secretary JP Singh has sent a circular to all government
departments on July 11, 2007, asking them to strictly observe punctuality,
besides effective presence in the office and maintain absolute devotion to
duty. Singh wrote that in spite of repeated instructions, it has been
observed that punctuality in attendance is not adhered to besides officials
at the cutting edge level are not courteous to the public visiting the
offices, which results in inconvenience and harassment to general public.
The circular further states 'Chief Minister Digambar Kamat has expressed his
concern over the non-observance of punctuality of staff and discourteous
attitude towards the public.' [GT]
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:09:08 -0400
From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Who is a fascist
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<[email protected]>
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Cornel,
And how could you miss our very own Fascist in your list?
The 'honorable' Antonio de Oliveira Salazar was like the other three,
also profoundly Roman Catholic.
If it were not for the eminent Goan, Prof Froilano De Melo and a few
Goans of his eminence who challenged Salazar on the downgrading of
equal Portuguese nationality that the Government of the Marquis de
Pombal so magnanimously granted Goans in the 18th century, not many
Goans outside of Portugal would be Portuguese nationals today.
Those interested might find this very interesting:
http://www.geocities.com/PauloCD/PortNatLaw.htm
Roland.
On 7/15/07, CORNEL DACOSTA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Words like "fascist" are used loosely by many but also rigorously by
scholars. For now, I would prefer to refer to just three particular fascists as firmly
recognised in history texts. They were Hitler, Franco and Mussolini. All three were
profoundly Roman Catholic much to the chagrin of Gilbert Lawrence of course.
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Message: 11
Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2007 04:26:32 +0100 (BST)
From: Bernado Colaco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] Person of Goan origin elected Maior of Lisbon
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Despite a poor voter turnout(62% abstained)Antonio
Costa of the Socialist Party won the elections for
Maiorship of Lisbon. AC of Goan origins is the son of
late Orlando Costa poet and writer.
Previously AC was the second in command in Jose
Socrates govt. holding the difficult post of Interior
Minister.
Congratulations to Antionio Costa and here is wishing
him all success.
BC
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:28:42 -0400
From: "Edward Verdes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] First Konkani Karaoke song
To: "Goanet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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My friend John Barreto from Bahrain has been working on Konkani Karaoke
music for some time now.
We tried our best to remove the voice from the Konkani songs with help of
softwares available on net.. but could not succeed.
However John has not given up and is now singing konkani songs with the help
of English Midi's. John has shared with me some of the songs he recorded on
his pc.
Now you too can sing konkani songs...here is how to go about it...
Below are the lyrics of the famous Alfred Rose Song "Dukham Sanvronam" and
here is the link to the midi file.
http://www.goanet.org/images/topics/Konkani/Music/Karaoke/DukhamSanvronam.mid
This is how the karaoke singing works out....open up the midi and sing
along.
I hope one day someone will come out with good Konkani Karaoke music.
Enjoy!
Dev Borem Korum
Edward Verdes/KSA
===============
Dukham sanvronam,
Nirmoll kallzak ghavo zala to pekonam,
Tuje osoli devi dusri mevchinam,
Rochnnaran kazar kiteak favo kelenam, vhoi kelemnam
Anstem rup tujem,
Nialltoch kallzak pet'ta akttem ujeachem,
Tunch mozo fuddar dissoi neketr Sorginchem,
Sozmotalom tunch mhunn amrut jivitachem,
Khoimsor geleim, khoimsor geleim
Kazarachea dissa, aksident zaun, choddfoddeanim meleim
Kallzak balo topun geleim, kalliz toddun veleim
Zogllaunnem koxem jivitan aileim
Ekach minutan, tum nattak zalem, fottoun geleim
Pisso zalam anv, chintunk naslelea mornan giraslem tuka
Kazarachea dissa, tunvem fottoilo maka
Makai vor, sonvsaran anink dovrinaka, tunch vor maka.
Lyrics compiled by Eddie Verdes
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 23:37:07 -0400
From: "Roland Francis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Catholic Schools - Something for Nothing.
To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
<[email protected]>
Message-ID:
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Not to be concerned Eric. You have more than repaid your brother's
debt and then some.
I concur with what Eric and George say, having had the benefit myself
of the same education system that was operated by those priests of
Spain and Lower Germany with the occasional progeny of the Irish labor
class and the odd Armenian Catholic supported by the solid numbers of
dedicated Goan Jesuits one of whom was George Pinto's relative, no
less.
Just the other day I was involved in a discussion with my children on
the subject of effectiveness of our respective high school teachers.
While my children too, have been fortunate to have had an unusual
number of dedicated secular teachers within a public school system
funded by the Province of Ontario, their professionalism and discharge
of duties at the peak, would fall much short of the wholehearted
sacrifice of the stalwarts (not to mention the wide discrepancy in
their remuneration) that Eric, George, I and many other Goans were
lucky to have encountered. To be fair, the teachers were of various
religious persuasions, but it was the organized Catholic framework of
educating the young that made it all possible.
On 7/15/07, eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have a brother who, sadly, has never found the time to send a cheque to
charity, and is vacationing this week in Alaska, at twenty thousand dollars
: they only fly business. The trip to a NY wedding, in May, was another
fifteen thousand. The new Mercedes, 100K, will ease the the passage from '
last agony' to heaven.
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 21:37:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bhandare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [Goanet] more masjid trouble at Chinchinim
To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
It is very interesting that on 2 days we have two
different reports which are very instructive
http://oheraldo.in/node/26523
"local ZP member, Joe Dias strongly opposed any place
of worship at the site.
He said Chinchinim village was the home for just two
Muslim families over half a decade ago, but said the
village has recorded a sharp rise in the population of
the minority community hailing from Belgaum, Hubli and
other areas.
Dias contended that granting permission for the Masjid
or prayer house would invite horders of outsiders in
the village and will alter the demographic character
of Chinchinim village.
Seems like more and more Christinas in salcette are
joining RSS, what say Fred?
Regards
Bhandare
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