Mogall Miguel bab, You wrote: << .....writer, author and reader of Konkani written in Romi script [NOT "Romi Konkani" as some want tomisrepresent it now a days.....]>>
My comment: Is this a belated realization on your part? Dhomprantlem koplant pavonk itlo vell laglo? And why blame others for your own sins? You and your CAMP has been using the expression "Romi Konknni" to mean variously:(1) Konkani written in Roman script, (2) Konkani spoken by the Roman Catholics in Goa, (3) the Bardexi dialect of Konkani, (4) the Konkani used in the Roman Catholic Church litturgy in Goa. Some of you (e.g. Fr. Conceicao DSilva)have even been claiming to be SPEAKING IN Romi Konknni. A couple of editorials in English dailies said much the same thing. Two years ago,I gave a talk in Konkani about Msgr. Dalgado at Menezes Braganza Hall,Panjim. And Godfrey Gonsalves (you too?) reported that, though my speech was distributed in Devanagari, what I SPOKE was in Romi! But none in your CAMP thought of correcting this; so, why now? And further, has this revised attitude of yours to the term "Romi Konkani" been ratified by your CAMP? I doubt it, because I find Tomazinho Cardozo (the originator of the controversy and the General of your CAMP) still using the same term (see e.g. yesterdays NT Panorama p. 2). Or is Tomazinho also misrepresenting it? You wrote: << .....both, you and your "sleeping" stalwart, are members of the GKA Executive Committee. Why do you not ask this question there? All the members are expected to exercise due diligence and have due accountability ...and perhaps even paid sitting fees... to do this work....>> My comment: I did not ask you any question. I only gave you an instance of how the accusing / complaining side too did not help matters. He did undertake this perfectly VOLUNTARY activity. But he is a busy person and has his own priorities. He is not saying that he will not complete it. Some work has been completed and the rest is being attended to. HE HAS NOT TAKEN ANY ADVANCE FROM GKA FOR THAT PURPOSE. Therefore, the Akademi cannot compel him to complete it; they can only coax him. But the same cannot be said about another leader of your CAMP (a past Secretary of Dalgado Konkani Akademi, nothing less, and 'publisher' of a Romi Konkani Monthly too!)who has TAKEN AN ADVANCE of Rs. Thirty thousand only for a research project on Mando. He failed to submit the Report for over a year beyond the stipulated and agreed time schedule for completion. During this period, he was sent several reminders and warnings. Finally he went to GKA office and left a CD on the President's table (in the latter's absence), without even a covering letter. All that the CD contains is THREE TYPED PAGES OF TEXT. This matter came up during a meeting of the Executive. Tomazinho rang him up from there itself. He was told that everything was there in the CD except for the "performance" which is also a part of the contract. Tomazinho requested him to come over to the GKA ofice some time and help open the CD. But, FOUR MONTHS down the line, he has not found the time to do so. In fact, he did come there at least twice; but always in a hurry, as he had to "distribute invitations"! And the same scoundrel berates the GKA from the platform as well as in the press. (You must have attended the publication function of the Biography of M. Boyer on October 11 last at Kala Akademi, and also read GT of the days preceding and following the event.) Such people are real assets for your movement which has always THRIVED ON BLATANT LIES. You wrote: <<. I worked long enough in Government and semi-government autonomous bodies to know how the system works. In the PWD, if one does not wish a particular contractor to bid there are some simple solutions 1. Disqualify his class [as for Romi writers] 2. Do not accept his application for tender form [concept of book] 3. Accept the application but not the completed tender [manuscript]. After that one can, WITH ALL HONESTY, say that the particular tender was never rejected because it was NEVER RECEIVED in the first place! I believe that the Goa Konkani Akademi is a semi-Government autonomous body manned by full-time government servants from the member-Secretary downwards.>> My comment: Just because you indulged in some dishonest acts while working in Government or semi-Government autonomous organizations or because such acts are quite common in such offices, you cannot presume that GKA did likewise; you have to provide proof. And it better be fool-proof; too many members of your CAMP have been exposed as LIARS. You wrote: << The two of you have worked together on some book projects of GKA, too. So he is part of YOUR CAMP,too. Or do you want to deny it now?>> My response: Jointly working with "sleeping" stalwart on some projects does not necessarily make me amember of his/your CAMP. So the question of denying NOW or EVER just does not arise. You seem to conveniently forget when it suits you. Don't you remember the recording of the TV serial "Dhirio" on this very topic at the Goa University last March? (I don't know whether the statement was finally telecast.) But he had clearly and pointedly stated that "Borges is not a Romi protagonist" which he himself is. You participated in that episode; how could you forget this statement? I have made it amply clear as who I mean by "members of your CAMP." If the meaning is still not clear to you, here are a few additional names: Fr. Pratap Naik, Fr. Conceicao D'Silva, Wilson Mazarello, Churchill Alemao, Prince Jacob, Michael Gracias, Godfrey Gonsalves, Jose Salvador Fernandes, Cosma Fernandes ..... Moreover, your memory seems to have become very short; is age catching up with you? ;-)) Because, in just the previous post to me, you had yourself stated: << The likes of you may write in Romi [in Gulab, etc] and promote Devanagri. We do what we believe, in Romi for Romi AND other scripts traditionally used for Konknni bhas.>> By the above statement, you had clearly drawn the line between "you" (i.e. me, Sebastian Borges) and "we" (i.e. your CAMP). I write mainly for the Konkani readership both in Romi and Devanagari. I also read Konkani in Kannada and Malayalam scripts as well. But you write exclusively for the English (not Konkani) readership. And proffer the facetious ruse that "English is also written in the Roman script." I am in no position to promote anything nor do I claim to do so. All I do is express my opinion with illustrations by way of incidents, examples, quotations etc as and when required; and I don't do it for any gains, petty or otherwise. I do not and cannot impose my views on others. It is for the readers to form their own informed opinion. I wonder whether you can say this about yourself. Xevttim Sotachench Zoit Zatolem! Mog asum. S. M.Borges --- Miguel Braganza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Mogall Sebastianv-Bab, > > You wrote: > 1) Not a single manuscript in > Romi had been submitted to the GKA during all this > time; therefore, the question of rejecting Romi > books > > just did not arise. > > Comment: I worked long enough in Government and > semi-government > autonomous bodies to know how the system works. In > the PWD, if one > does not wish a particular contractor to bid there > are some simple > solutions 1. Disqualify his class [as for Romi > writers] 2. Do not > accept his application for tender form [concept of > book] 3. Accept the > application but not the completed tender > [manuscript]. After that one > can, WITH ALL HONESTY, say that the particular > tender was never > rejected because it was NEVER RECEIVED in the first > place! > > I believe that the Goa Konkani Akademi is a > semi-Government autonomous > body manned by full-time government servants from > the member-Secretary > downwards. Others learn such tricks fast .... > specially when > convenient! Correct me if I am wrong. No need for > you to give me the > information. We already have the record, as is > available under RTI. > You bet there are gaps ...and they can be explained > ;-) > > You wrote: (2) Some Romi stalwarts undertook > > to write books but slept on the job. For > instance, > > one such worthy has been sleeping on "an anthology > of > > 101 tiatr songs" for well over 16 years! > > Comment: I am given to understand that both, you and > your "sleeping" > stalwart, are members of the GKA Executive > Committee. Why do you not > ask this question there? All the members are > expected to exercise due > diligence and have due accountability ...and perhaps > even paid sitting > fees... to do this work. The two of you have worked > together on some > book projects of GKA, too. So he is part of YOUR > CAMP, too. Or do you > want to deny it now? > > You wrote: Please make a > > list of just TEN of the books which ACCORDING TO > > YOUR CAMP would have merited the award, had the > judges and their selection been fair and unbiased. > > Comment: I will gladly do this for you if you can > prove to me ththat > the Kala Academy INVITED applications from Romi > script writers of > Konkani books during the period 1988 to 2005 as they > did from 1972 to > 1987 and now again in 2006-07. If you want to know > the list just check > the ISBN entries and the Official Gazette listing of > books published > in Goa under Book Registration Act. You could even > get the information > of books published in Konkani, year wise, under RTI > from the Director > of printing Press for just Rs.10/- . You are a > member of the GKA > Executive Committee, writer, author and reader of > Konkani written in > Romi script [NOT "Romi Konkani" as some want to > misrepresent it now a > days. Dr. Manohar Rai Sardessai wrote the same > Konkani in both the > scripts. So do others who know more than one script > ...though some may > write in different contexts to suit their target > readership.] You can > judge the books for yourself. Use the "Bangarsal" as > a reference of > the lowest standard for your selection. Plagiarism > is not a healthy > thing for what is claimed as original writing. Some > leading light ... > or was it Jyoti ?? ... was known to do such a > thing in Konkani > written in Devanagri a few years ago. there will be > quite a few books > that would meet the mark. Many Romi titles in > Konkani have sold more > copies than their Devanagri contemporaries. May be > we should ask > D'Pietro's Janya Celi to do some detective work for > you. > > The adage in Konkani: "Dhankloli mutth sovai > lakhachi." is right. ... > ani tapot marcheakin mutth marlea bori. > > Mog asundi. > > Miguel > > > On Nov 9, 2007 8:09 PM, Sebastian Borges > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Mogall Miguel-bab > > I shall leave what you say about me for another > day > > because I feel it is not important at the moment. > So > > let me come straight to the point. > > You say, << . actually part of the syndicate that > has >denied Konknni > books in Romi lipi even a single award of >Sahitya > Puroskar for a > > DECADE since 1988. Do not tell me that Devanagri > > Konknni books were > > consistently found superior ...or that Adv. Uday > > Bhembre or the other > > Rats cannot read and understand Romi enough to > > discover the > > superiority of these books.>> > > > > My response: > > This "cry wolf" story has been heard / read too > often. > > At one time it was claimed that the Goa Konkani > > Akademi is meting out 'step-motherly treatment' > and > > doing injustice towards Romi writers by not > assisting > > the publication of their books as it does in the > case > > of Devanagari writers. And it sounded true, since > the > > GKA had not published any Romi book for a long > time. > > So everyone believed this to be the Gospel truth, > > especially since it was told by Catholics (priests > > included) for whom it is a sin to tell a lie. > Nobody > > bothered to check the truth behind this fact. I > did. > > And what did I find? (1) Not a single manuscript > in > > Romi had been submitted to the GKA during all this > > time; therefore, the question of rejecting Romi > books > > just did not arise. (2) Some Romi stalwarts > undertook > > to write books but slept on the job. For > instance, > > one such worthy has been sleeping on "an anthology > of > > 101 tiatr songs" for well over 16 years! And yet > he > > had the temerity to level the above charge against > the > > GKA. So, pray, how does one expect the GKA to > publish > > / assist in the publication of books whose > manuscripts > > do not reach it? > > After several such empty "cry wolf" episodes, > stark > > lies and half-truths, many of which have already > been > > exposed as such, comes the latest one about > Sahitya > > Puroskars of the Kala Akademi: "since 1988, Romi > > books have been consistently and unfairly denied > this > > Award." This charge also rings true, because it > fits > > the fact: no Romi book has earned this award for a > > long time. It tacitly and obviously assumes that > > there were Romi titles which merited the honour. > > However, "Do not tell me that Devanagri Konknni > books > > were consistently found superior" is a > hypothetical > > statement. In order to prove the charge we have > to > > show that such books did exist in Romi at the > relevant > > point in time. To test that aspect, Miguel bab, I > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
