------------------------------------------------------------------------ * GOANET **** C * O * M * M * U * N * I * T * Y **** E * V * E * N * T * ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Xavier Center of Historical Research presents HISTORY HOUR TOPIC: Waste Wise - An Interactive Awareness Presentation on Waste Management in Goa
SPEAKER: Clinton Vaz - November 16, 2007 - 5:30pm VISIT: http://tinyurl.com/222757 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mogall Sebastiao-bab, If I say "I know how a clock works" it does not mean that I work like a clock! So there! Yes, I do not accept a slur on my credibility. When I take pains to be right ..and I am open to correction when I am wrong ... I expect that others do not doubt my honesty. Is that too much to ask? What is true is true even if everyone doubts it. What is false is false , even if everyone doubts it. That Konkani written in the Roman script is alive and showing no signs of dying after 20 years of official suppression is the truth today. I do not belong to any CAMP. I am neither a member of KBM nor of DKA, not of Konknni Ekvott nor of RLAF. I neither want awards, nor subsidies. Neither posts, nor a seat on the dais. Konkani is my Mother Tongue. That is enough for me. I will rest my case here. You can have the last word . Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 04:15:01 -0800 (PST) From: Sebastian Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konknni Talkies : the Tom & Bhembre Show Mogall Miguel bab, 1. You wrote: <<If you are accusing me of being dishonest, you better be careful. I have an impeccable record for honesty and dedication to work, where ever I have served. I have been brought up on the basis of "When honour is lost, it is a relief to die." .>> My response: Sarkoch taploi muga! Chodd dukhlem? Did it hurt? Why berate me? I have not accused you of anything. You have accused yourself. Please re-read your statement from which I have drawn a logical conclusion. You wrote: << I believe that the Goa Konkani Akademi is a semi-Government autonomous body manned by full-time government servants from the member-Secretary downwards. Others learn such tricks fast .... specially when convenient! Correct me if I am wrong.>> You are right about the official status of GKA. But the staff there is of the clerical and subordinate level; except for the Secretary. And the occupant of this post is ephemeral; there have been about half a dozen occupants in the last year and a half. In this situation, I wonder how much "training" in the "tricks" department this incumbent could give to the clerical staff. Moreover, all this staff were appointed in the GKA itself; so they could not have brought the expertise you impute to them from other Government departments. Yet you claim that they learnt and practiced the tricks which you have detailed with examples from PWD and the corresponding analogies in GKA. This means that ANYONE WHO WORKS IN GOVERNMENT / SEMI-GOVERNMENT BODIES NECESSARILY ACQUIRES AND PERFORMS THOSE TRICKS. Am I wrong? You further state: << I worked long enough in Government and semi-government autonomous bodies to know how the system works.>> This means that YOU TOO LEARNT THOSE VERY TRICKS WHILE WORKING THERE. Now, does it not follow that YOU TOO MUST HAVE PERFORMED THOSE TRICKS? If no, why not? How did you become immune to a malaise which is the lot of EVERYONE who works in such bodies? Besides, each of the bodies where you worked must have been more "lucrative" than GKA! Personally, I have no doubt that you worked with honesty and dedication and that you have an unblemished record wherever you served. In fact, I know that you had a commendable record. I didn?t mean to hurt you, but I wanted to drive it home to you that your contention is fallacious. However, in the light of your own revelations, you might have to work real hard to prove this to goanetters etc. that you were not up to any mischief when the opportunity was there. ;-) 2. You wrote: << I speak Konkani [written as "Konknni" in Romi lipi, phonetically and not fanatically].>> My response: Thanks for bringing this up. The name of our mothertongue is spelt as KONKNNI in a Konkani sentence (e.g. hanv Konknni uloitam) but as KONKANI in an English sentence (e.g. I speak Konkani). One must not write "I speak Konknni" which is what some Ph.D.?s ERRONEOUSLY (and fanatically?) persist on doing, though humorists are more law-abiding (see below). 3. You wrote: << The spoken form has no script or lipi. If the Editor of the oHERALDo or Godfrey writes about speaking in a script, I hold no brief for them. What is wrong is wrong, even if the error is not yours. However, do not add me to the ranks of people who do not know the difference between a language, a dialect and a script.>> My response: You may run away from the sins of individuals, but I don?t think you can do so when your CAMP (or LOBBY if you like)is concerned. And it is the attitude of your CAMP towards this expression that I had commented upon. I just cited some names as examples. This was from recollection. About Godfrey I was sure; but not about you. Hence the question-mark. Tomazinho?s name also came up the same way; I recalled his photograph that appeared in that article and made the gaffe. Fortunately, I realized the error while in Margao, so I could rush back to the Cyber and send the correction. Mogall Miguel bab, 1. You wrote: <<If you are accusing me of being dishonest, you better be careful. I have an impeccable record for honesty and dedication to work, where ever I have served. I have been brought up on the basis of "When honour is lost, it is a relief to die." I do not excuse such allegations against my character on the grounds of age, education or senility of the accuser. You know what I said about Fr. Moreno de Souza sj while he was alive after the Catholics for Devanagri meeting in the Art Gallery of IMB, Panaji. It is good for one to maintain his own respect. I hope I do not need to remind you of that.>> My response: Sarkoch taploi muga! Chodd dukhlem? Did it hurt? Why berate me? I have not accused you of anything. You have accused yourself. Please re-read your statement from which I have drawn a logical conclusion. You wrote: << I believe that the Goa Konkani Akademi is a semi-Government autonomous body manned by full-time government servants from the member-Secretary downwards. Others learn such tricks fast .... specially when convenient! Correct me if I am wrong.>> Yet you claim that they learnt and practiced the tricks which you have detailed with examples from PWD and the corresponding analogies in GKA. This means that ANYONE WHO WORKS IN GOVERNMENT / SEMI-GOVERNMENT BODIES NECESSARILY ACQUIRES AND PERFORMS THOSE TRICKS. Am I wrong? You further state: << I worked long enough in Government and semi-government autonomous bodies to know how the system works.>> This means that YOU TOO LEARNT THOSE VERY TRICKS WHILE WORKING THERE. Now, does it not follow that YOU TOO MUST HAVE PERFORMED THOSE TRICKS? If no, why not? However, in the light of your own revelations, you might have to work real hard to prove this to goanetters etc. that you were not up to any mischief when the opportunity was there. ;-) 2. You wrote: << I speak Konkani [written as "Konknni" in Romi lipi, phonetically and not fanatically].>> My response: Thanks for bringing this up. The name of our mothertongue is spelt as KONKNNI in a Konkani sentence (e.g. hanv Konknni uloitam) but as KONKANI in an English sentence (e.g. I speak Konkani). One must not write "I speak Konknni" which is what some Ph.D.?s ERRONEOUSLY (and fanatically?) persist on doing, though humorists are more law-abiding (see below). 3. You wrote: << The spoken form has no script or lipi. If the Editor of the oHERALDo or Godfrey writes about speaking in a script, I hold no brief for them. What is wrong is wrong, even if the error is not yours. However, do not add me to the ranks of people who do not know the difference between a language, a dialect and a script.>> My response: You may run away from the sins of individuals, but I don?t think you can do so when your CAMP (or LOBBY if you like)is concerned. And it is the attitude of your CAMP towards this expression that I had commented upon. I just cited some names as examples. This was from recollection. About Godfrey I was sure; but not about you. Hence the question-mark. Tomazinho?s name also came up the same way; I recalled his photograph that appeared in that article and made the gaffe. Fortunately, I realized the error while in Margao, so I could rush back to the Cyber and send the correction. -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.