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St. Mary's Convent High school, Mapusa is staging a play titled "Lion King"
              December 1, 2007 - Hanuman Hall, Mapusa

         to fundraise for a false ceiling for the school hall
                    & upgrading the school playground

         Headmistress Sr. Namika A.C. / Teacher Mrs. Sonia Noronha
                   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thanks Santosh for your clarifications. As you state below you are "opposed to 
all forms of ideology".  I accept that.  I have said in the past, your claim to 
fame on Goanet is, you are opposed to everything that anybody writes.  And you 
know what I call that? :=))

Clarifications and Solutions are not found by merely denouncing others. It is 
found by providing one's own observations and explanations or alternative 
concepts to issues; or supporting or expanding what others say. This also 
involves understanding and accepting other points of view. Your "Opposed to all 
forms of ideology" may well arise from your failure to understand some of those 
ideologies. After all you cannot be an authority of everything. Perhaps in this 
thread you should clarify your thinking, "Are humans BORN MORAL?". This could 
be a yes / no answer. 

Now in fairness to you, you did say WHAT you are willing to defend. To quote 
you (see below), "defend with evidence .... both hatred and compassion .... at 
least 7 million years in our evolutionary history".  

There is only a small problem with the above. Humans did not exists this long 
... not even half as long ... not even one-tenth as long.  So as a supurlo 
Goenkar, I am not sure what exactly (science, philosophy or theology) you are 
willing to "defend with evidence" ... from ... "at least 7 million years in OUR 
evolutionary history". Ghuspot murree?  

Homo sapiens (from Wikipedia):
H. sapiens ("sapiens" means wise or intelligent) has lived from about 250,000 
years ago to the present. Between 400,000 years ago and the second interglacial 
period in the Middle Pleistocene, around 250,000 years ago, the trend in 
cranial expansion and the elaboration of stone tool technologies developed, 
providing evidence for a transition from H. erectus to H. sapiens.

The earliest fossil hominid, Ardipithecus ramidus, is dated at 4.4 million 
years. 

Can you clarify the animals of "at least 7 million years" ago had "hatred and 
compassion" (what ever that means) and how was that different from the behavior 
patterns of dinosaurs who existed 65 million years ago? 
Are you using the terms "Hatred and Compassion" in animals interchangeably with 
human "Morality and Ideology"?
Your attempt to switch the terms of this thread suggest that you may be getting 
out of your league - just like me.:=))   
I will let you have the last word on this thread / debate which is "How 
Religion Poisons Everything". 

Kind Regards, GL

----------- Santosh Helekar wrote:

Those who have read and understood my writings on Goanet know that I am opposed 
to all forms of ideology. 

What is undeniable, I submit, however, and am willing to defend with evidence, 
is that both hatred and compassion predate theistic and atheistic ideologies by 
at least 7 million years in our evolutionary history.

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