I totally disagree with this doomsday suggestion & defeated attitide. Every place as its positives & negatives; and I am saying this with confidence after travelling to many parts of the World; particularly the West and having also being a permanent resident of Goa. Instead of taking easy route of complaining & saying all the "Cant Do's" lets look at "Can Do's" instead.
I believe if we look at latter we can definetely do wonders for Goa; our home least we forget!! Message: 3 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 05:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] An open letter to Goan Catholics To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I spent three years of my college life in Panjim. Being of Shasti origins, my best friend from San Jose d'Ariel and I, would routinely make a trip to Margao every weekend. There we would spend endless hours at Peter Stores, buying knickknacks we didn't need and then heading to Loughinos for a falooda and sausage pao. On our weekend binge into town, being hormonally-charged teenagers at the time, we would try to elicit as much eve-teasing as possible from teenage boys, feeding into our insecure budding egos. The fear of being accosted or assaulted rarely entered our minds. Those days are long-gone. Today, eve-teasing in Margao is occasion for full-scale communal riots and anticipation of these riots, is reason enough to bring in swords by the dozens. The Goan Catholic cannot cope with this. The male of our species has been emasculated by centuries of Sunday Mass sermaos. He has neither swords, nor koitos nor the inclination with which to rise in protest. The female of our species is educated and emancipated. She wants nothing more than to get on with her professional and family life. In this morass that Goa has become of hurt religious sensibilities and communal tensions, Goan Catholics have no place. Sadly, I urge you to go to the nearest embassy you can find, whether Canada, Portugal or New Zealand and apply for citizenship. Don't let the fear of the West keep you for applying. You are already bi-cultural. Your children's transition to a Western culture will be fluid. It is the best thing for your children's safety. I write this with all sadnes for my beloved Goa and Goans. selma ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 13:15:22 +0100 From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Decline of Panjim, and expanding slums in Goa To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2008/7/7 Sandeep Heble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Dear all, > > After going through the TOI report, I guess we all owe Rajan an apology. > > All this time, we were foolish to think that Rajan was "Anti-migrants". > > We now learn that because of Rajan's Petition, not only will the city > be much cleaner than before but the migrants too will have decent > toilets whenever they want to answer the calls of Nature. While we > are only paying lip-service to their sympathetic needs, Rajan is > genuinely working to give this poor community a better life. Pravin > always used to tell me that Rajan in reality is not the same person as > he appears on the Forum. How Rajan would often advice the migrant > Labourers to educate their children so that this community could > prosper in the future, etc. > > Now we really know that Pravin was right and we were all wrong. Let's > ignore his harsh words. Through his actions, it is quite apparent that > Rajan is indeed making conditions favourable for Migrants and their > living. > > As the phrase goes, Actions speak Louder than words! > > Cheers > Sandeep RESPONSE: I just read that there is a place in India which pays People to use its toilets, perhaps the same should be done in Goa, pay everyone to come over and have a pee or a shiii! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 17:05:48 +0100 (BST) From: JOHN MONTEIRO <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] A Trip Down Memory Lane To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thank you Rajiv, Its always nice to experience someone else's memories in the way the author has described here. Was this you? A Trip Down Memory Lane was very nice & very pleasant for me to read, especially when the author mentioned the two lives of the youth & the older man. I like the way that the author put a neat separation between the two people, the 20-year old & the 50 year-old but still able to balance his life. We all who love these type of stories & memories all balance a the little tear in the corner of our eyes, for the 20-year old who was there all those years ago, and the 50 year old that he is today. Wonderful stuff........ John Monteiro ------------------------------------------------------------------- Rajiv Desai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (TRUNCATED) Trip Down Memory Lane Going Home Thirty-five years and two months is a long time to stay away from a place that you hated to leave at all. The thought crossed my mind as I wandered the streets of the old city of Surat, looking for familiar landmarks and for my family home......... -----------------------------------------------------------------. Regards John Monteiro ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 09:11:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Advantages of Oil @ $ 200 a barrel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Marlon, Thanks for keeping a keen eye to counter the bogus ideological propaganda on Goanet. Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 7/7/08, Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone who calls these guys whako environmentalists, is probably a bigger >whako himself! > > As far as some of the so called oil reserves such as > shale oil, the issue is cost and yield. One only has > to look at the richer tar sands in Alberta. They are > profitable only when oil prices are greater than > 80-100$ as is the case now. Current world oil > consumption today is around 88 million barrels per > day, while actual production from these tar sands is > in the hundreds of thousands range - a drop in the > barrel so to speak. These marginal sources will not > make much of an impact in overall prices. > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:33:21 +0000 (GMT) From: JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Socoro de St. Cruz To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Socor de St. Cruz http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=9i-6BMvlHTM __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:23:08 +0000 (GMT) From: JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photo: Please identify this.. (old Goa) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Talking Photo: Please identify this http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/193341922/ Clue; -Bom Jesus -It is on display say for the last 2-3 years -Recently, I found out that I was wrong to think that it was a ... any one?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. Get the one you really want - millions of new email addresses available now at Yahoo! http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/ymail/new.html ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 01:17:17 +0530 From: "Goanet Reader" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Mining blues and its many hues: when PR gets it badly wrong To: Goanet <goanet@lists.goanet.org>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 MINING BLUES AND ITS MANY HUES: WHEN P.R. GETS IT BADLY WRONG By Claude Alvares [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sujay Gupta's article, 'Green movement has shades of black' [1] introduces another colour to the Naxalite controversy. Last week, we were all being called 'red' by the chief of the 'saffron' party, even though what we are attempting to protect is green. For heaven's sake, what will they call us next? Yellow? No, that's reserved exclusively for journalists. 'White' is trade-marked for 'corporate media consultant' as their principal business is 'whitewash'. Indigo is the colour of music, as we all know, so we can safely keep it out. But purple is the colour of one's face when one finds, like Sujay Gupta [2] is now discovering, that all his facts are wrong. That's why he's retired from good journalism as we all know and practice it. This is a guy who came in for our World Environment Day function on June 5 at Sulcornem pretending to be one of us. When asked, he said he was working with Prudent Media. Miguel Braganza says Sujay Gupta repeated this when he travelled back with him in the car all the way back to Panjim. In Goa, as generally in India too, we rarely counter-check credentials. We take people at their word. The day Seby Rodrigues was attacked as a 'Naxalite', we were amazed to hear that Sujay Gupta was organizing a press conference for people from Rivona who would spill to the journalists the gory details of Seby inciting villagers to kill policemen. Disturbed, I called up Arvind Bhatikar, chairperson of Prudent Media. He informed me that Sujay Gupta was not employed by Prudent Media and that they had Sandesh Prabhudesai in charge. He also told me that Sujay was now a 'corporate media consultant'. I confronted Gupta on the street outside the GUJ (Goa Union of Journalists) office after the press conference he had organised. (Miguel and a few of the brethren from the media were also present.) At this point of time, he flatly denied any involvement in the press conference "except for sending out two or three SMS messages." I got one of those messages, like many other journalists. Fortunately it has remained un-erased on my cell and so I can recall it here verbatim: "People of colomb, who were shown films by sebi rodrigues depicting the killing of policemen by naxalites will meet the press at the GUJ hall. They will also spk abt the activities of sebi and his group from jharkhand in the mining areas. Sujay Gupta." Now check the sheer 'quality' of the information being purveyed by this former editor and NDTV reporter: it emerges that there is no such film at all. His "group from jharkhand" is actually a group of students from the Nirmala Institute of Social Work in Mumbai, doing field-work for their degree courses in social work! Now would you trust a person who lies about his employment, refuses to disclose his actual employers, and then organizes press conferences on the basis of fabricated information? Journalists informed us that prior to the press conference, Gupta had been carrying around Seby's photograph for circulation for four days. To what purpose? Ask him! After the Naxalite bogey burst in Manohar Parrikar's and Sujay Gupta's face, Gupta has now come up with some new tactics based on information he has apparently gathered from the mining companies to whom he has endeared himself. The title of his article is called "shades of black" but stops short of the defamatory term "blackmail". The whole trend of the article is that something unhealthy is going on which our former hero from NDTV has come here to Goa, like a new Cervantes, to tilt against. This time he tries to be authentic and quotes cheque numbers. And what is his story? Gupta says that Shyamsundar Naik (rudely referred to by him as a 'fellow') accepted a compensation cheque of Rs.48,000 from one mining company. Gupta also says that Shyamsundar Naik demanded (and got) Rs. 11,44,000 from the company for a cultural organization headed by him. He does not claim that these are illegal sums. He cannot because they are paid by cheque. Do "blackmailer" accept money via cheques? Is ransom money paid into kidnappers' accounts using bank instruments? What world is Sujay Gupta living in? But even the "facts" purveyed above are wrong. Shyamsundar has never accepted any cheque for Rs.48,000 from any mining company. There is no cheque in the name of Shyamsundar Naik! So will our gallant investigative reporter prove what he has written in black and white or will he have the decency to apologize? The correct fact is that the mining company paid out not Rs. 48,000 but Rs.33.75 lakhs to 43 people (in sums varying from Rs.48,000 to Rs.54,000) as compensation for pollution, for damage to their paddy fields and livelihood. Shyamsundar's name is not to be found in the list of 43 people compensated. Here is an outright admission of liability by mining companies -- who in Gupta's perception are doing 'good' mining, who compensate people officially by cheque for destroying their livelihood and village environment. When Shyamsundar Naik first came to my office to seek help from the Goa Foundation for the torture wrought on his village Advalpal by the three mining companies in the neighbourhood, he showed me the details of the payments before he even told me his story. He was contrite. He said for two years they moved every authority, including Deputy Collector Arvind Bugde. Nobody came to help them. In desperation, the people decided to accept monetary compensation. They needed something to stay alive. But realizing that as the condition of their lands worsened and their water dried up altogether, they would soon be forced to abandon their village, they decided to stay put and fight. Would the Goa Foundation help them with understanding their legal rights and what the laws of the land demand from the conduct of mining operators? I was appalled not because the villagers had accepted money but because they had compromised their futures for so little! Here were companies destroying their life and livelihood, their village, its water-bodies, their paddy fields and nullahs; responsible, in addition, for a devastating flood in 2000; and they had settled for Rs.48,000! Were they out of their mind? Acceptance of compensation for damage caused is the second best option afforded to us by the law when someone has done us irreparable harm. The first (and best) option is a suit for closure of the mine and punitive damages in crores. However, we do not live in the best of all possible worlds. We live in a world where a Sujay Gupta does not ask why a mining company would pay Rs.33.75 lakhs to 43 people if all that the company had done was right, proper and legal. He feels that people should suffer and allow themselves to be ground into the mud and take suffering caused by mining with a smile and a laugh. They are after all helping the nation and the nation's (and China's) economy! How dare they ask for money! Did he ask for compensation when he was editor of GT? Not at all, he worked there for free! Sujay Gupta wants to know how the sum of Rs.11,44,000 -- also recorded in the memorandum of agreement as compensation for pollution and damages -- paid to the Varchawada Samiti was utilised. First of all, who is he to ask? Who has paid him to ask this question? Nobody has any right to ask any person or organization how they have spent -- if they indeed have -- their (undervalued) compensation money. This is adding insult to injury. Why does he not ask instead where our 40 thieves spend the money that they loot daily from the public exchequer. Or where the mine owners spend the money they raise -- running into crores -- from their illegal mines. At the end, Gupta asks for a "mature" debate on mining. Mature debates can only be held with mature journalists, not immature hacks. [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg31538.html [2] Sujay Gupta, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 11:26:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] Goan Identity is NOT Anti-Indian To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 14:08:45 +0400 From: "Arwin Mesquita" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Is the need for Goa to preserve her Identity, Anti-Indian? > Mario responds: > Memo to Arwin: > What Goan indentity are you takling about? > I thought Santosh had put a stake through the heart of that old shibboleth. > ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:29:50 +0100 From: "Gabe Menezes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Advantages of Oil @ $ 200 a barrel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2008/7/7 Marlon Menezes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Both Chris and Ralph totally miss the point or don't > have a point. RESPONSE: For once, I bought your story, lock, stock and barrel! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 19:51:17 +0000 (GMT) From: JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [Goanet] A caminhao ... from Colvale (circa 1972) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks FN for the Pic http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2642196864/ I remember travelling in this type of vehicle. We called it carrier (Karier or Kareth). It was so low that even children could not travell standing. One of the popular owners of the Karier was 'Burkulo' ( I m sure our Lapit will remember it too) and the rout was Velsao-Cansaulim-Utorda-Majorda-Nuvem-Margao.. Around late 60's This vehicle was replaced by big nose type single door buses 'dodge' co. Which required a 'Z' shape handle to start it's machine. Bus cleaner would do it from the front of the bus (externally). These were then replaced by Ashok layland and Tata buses with flat front and more sitting capacity like 56 seating and 22 standing. Fare was 4 anas (24p) to Margao The pic has brought back my memories. Thanks again === I was about 20 then. ==== Quote: [Goanet] A caminhao ... from Colvale (circa 1972) Frederick [FN] Noronha * ???????? ???????? fredericknoronha at gmail.com Mon Jul 7 02:25:45 PDT 2008 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/2642196864/ == [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __________________________________________________________ Not happy with your email address?. 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