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--- On Sun, 11/9/08, Mario Goveia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Santosh has not been able to provide any evidence of his specious claim
> that, "Those who are not with them are against them." It's more
> like "Those who are not with them don't know why."
>
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2008 13:26:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Santosh Helekar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
Here is the evidence for my claim:
>
"Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists"
......Lame Duck President George W. Bush
>
Mario responds:
>
Since terrorists target and kill civilians in order to get their way, and had
attacked the US and US interests throughout the 90's, it is specious to
argue that you can oppose the US finally responding to them after 9/11 without
benefiting the terrorists, at least tacitly or morally, if nothing else.
>
You also need to be a little more discriminating about your list of bad guys to
make any sense.
>
For example, from the list you speciously lumped brother Marlon in with, the
Islamic terrorists, radical Palestinians who belong to groups like Hamas,
Hezbollah and Islamic Jihad, and a state sponsor of terrorism like Ahmadinejad
are clearly terrorists. And the fact is they do collaborate with Hugo Chavez
and the Castro brothers. These terrorists and terrorist sympathisers are
clearly against us, by their own admission.
>
BTW, did you know that the maps of the Palestinian radicals show no such
country as Israel? Probably not. But, I digress.
>
The Chicago thugs, whom Bill Clinton, not I, said Obama was part of, and the
Clintons themselves, are simply politically motivated Democrat partisans whose
goal is to obtain political power and influence.
>
Levinsky (sic) was just a highly imaginative and energetic young lady who
helped Bill Clinton re-define sexual intercourse and workplace sexual
harrassment. She would not be for us or against us.
>
Farrakhan and Wright are clearly anti-Americans by their own admission, who
undermine the minds of some sections of American society, actively support some
of our enemies, but do not engage in physical terrorism.
>
Bill Ayers is now an unrepentant domestic terrorist who once advocated killing
one's parents, whom we now find was also an admirer of Sirhan Sirhan, the
assassin of Democrat icon, Bobby Kennedy. He now wears the sheep's clothing of
an academic, and is hailed as a great educator by the same liberals who
iconized Bobby Kennedy. Pretty amazing example of political expediency and
hypocrisy.
>
Rezko is just a convicted slum lord who tried to curry favor with Obama by
helping him acquire real estate. We'll see what he does after his jail
term.
>
The childhood Muslim friends could be among the 99.9% of Muslims who are like
everyone else, or they may be terrorists or terrorist sympathisers - without
you identifying them it's hard to tell.
>
The communist friends have fallen on hard times since communism became obsolete
so I don't think we need to worry about them very much, unless they show up on
Obama's growing list of economic advisors.
>
Brother Marlon only shows up occasionally to throw verbal bombs at people he
hates and then disappears for awhile to sulk and stoke his bitterness at the
world he lives in and ponder why Ron Paul and other libertarians get no
respect, even though they consider themselves to be the most enlightened people
on earth, an accolade also claimed by liberals.
>
Santosh wrote:
>
No evidence for "Those who are not with them don't know why" has
been provided, and none appears to exist in the real world.
>
Mario responds:
>
I have clearly shown that those who are not with us, including yourself, have
been unable to clearly articulate exactly why, with any logical context and
perspective. Lumping all those people together whom I had to sort out above,
is one example. Resorting to vague generalities, insinuations and innuendo, is
another clue.
>
