Dear Dr Barad, Reading your not so subtle posts on goanet can you openly declare your views on the following questions. A simple Yes or No will suffice.
1. Are you a supporter of BJP 2. Are you a supporter of RSS 3. Are you a supporter of Hindutva 4. Do you support the destruction of Babri Masjid based on the "fact" that it is Ram Janmabhoomi Kind Regards, Ralph Rau --- On Thu, 12/11/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1579 To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 5:54 PM Send Goanet mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Goanet digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Talking Photo: Where is Vasco Police Station? (JoeGoaUk) 2. Silver Wedding (Goanet Greetings) 3. Practical Traveler - A Lesson of Mumbai - Have a Safety Plan - NYTimes.com (Ruby Goes) 4. Re: Food for thought (Seb dc) 5. Re: Old Practice as New Science (final version - sorry) (Gilbert Lawrence) 6. Some of the Irritating points. (S SAWAIKAR) 7. Mumbai blast and Italian Indian Congress (Dr. U. G. Barad) 8. Landlords Capitalistic Excuse (Arwin Mesquita) 9. Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1567 (Dr. U. G. Barad) 10. Re: Old Practice as New Science (Santosh Helekar) 11. Re: Rescue Bombay (Santosh Helekar) 12. Photo Caption Contest - please forward to creative people (Cecil Pinto) 13. Photo(s): Pristine Waters, Hollant Beach - Goa (Goa Observer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:47:25 +0000 (GMT) From: JoeGoaUk <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Talking Photo: Where is Vasco Police Station? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Talking Photo: Where is Vasco Police Station? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk15/3100369260/sizes/l/ I thought Diwali celebreated on 26th Oct. 2008 Perhaps. Vasco Police celebrating it even now.. [email protected] for Goa & NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial? 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:04:17 +0530 From: Goanet Greetings <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Silver Wedding To: goanet <[email protected]> Message-ID: <d4638a537a574661a17e4b543892e...@zenith> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Belated: Congratulation to Mr. Chagas and Mrs.Carlota on your silver wedding anniversary on 7th Dec.2008 == We thank the Lord and congratulate them for 25 years of blissful togetherness Much Love & Prayers, The D'Souza Family Chinchant, Tivim NOTE: Please send your Birthday or Anniversary details to [email protected] ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:17:53 +1100 From: "Ruby Goes" <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Practical Traveler - A Lesson of Mumbai - Have a Safety Plan - NYTimes.com To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <27aaab9639344680b9f84dce89c71...@satellite> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/travel/14pracmumbai.html rubygoes ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 10:29:43 +0400 From: "Seb dc" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Food for thought To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Food for thought this is...really.... n is far from c:-) > How can this happen when Verna High Way is 2 lanes road with divider? > > Goanet members' stupidity on this post is also most welcomed. > > Read more by clicking the lick provided? > > http://www.oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=13524&cid=2 > > Best regards, > > Dr. U. G. Barad > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:51:04 -0800 (PST) From: Gilbert Lawrence <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Old Practice as New Science (final version - sorry) To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 i Mario, As the voice of truth, etc. etc, and a self-assured?goanetter, I am amazed that you can contradict yourself in the same post.? For starters, you do not come between Santosh and me. Perhaps you can take a leaf from that.? I have learned to?ignore irrelevant chatter.? It is?a pleasure to respond to someone who makes sense.??Kudos for being on-spot that the subject matter is the effect / benefit?of "the threat of Punishment".? I wish other readers were as perceptive as you.?Yet, after?your second paragraph below, you elected to take off on a tangent. So permit me to address some of your tangential points. I like when all-and-sundry tell an author?what should have been written.? The reality is? "Negative consequences" (your term) is definitely a form of punishment.? This applies in many places, including?school or workplace.? Examples are, not being selected / elected / appointed to a coveted position or a promotion. "Punishment" is?not necessarily restricted to a pink slip / termination of job.??The list of "negative consequences" and 'caliberated punishment' can be as long as one may seek.? So IMO, contrary to what you and others claim, there it is nothing wrong with the authors' title. The?title was well chosen. It was "Threat of Punishment Works, Study Suggests".? The title is not - "Punishment Works, Study Suggests".? So unfortunately, some did not read the title well enough (not surprising); and chose to respond to their own version of this paper and / or ?title. "Spare the rod and spoil the child" (my phrase) does not mean "Use the rod every time". So too, threat of punishment during the time of Goa's 17 th century (under a political framework) is not dissimilar to the current practice of using?prosecution, fines, imprisonment?and?capital punishment?as a?DETERRENCE?to crime; in a democratic or dictatorial regime.??Yet all?offenses (then and?now)?are not punished with the same punishment. So your statement "Inquisition, where alleged heretics were mercilessly punished and tortured, even put to death, by unspeakably cruel methods" is to use your term "simply codswallop" and hyperbole. You rightly point out, "The salutary effect of some negative consequences for inappropriate behavior makes intuitive common sense." Yet we needed a scientific paper in 2008, to confirm the "intuitive common sense" and that was a point in my post.?As a conservative you should be saying, "How many millions to fund and (wasted) time did?it take for?this study?"? Many individuals and institutions today put away "intuitive common sense". Some coddle those?displaying "inappropriate behavior" backed with some exquisite explanations. High on this list is the "Nanny Government" that you so abhor.? So I do not know if you have a beef with this scientific paper (or me). Likely not!? As usual some select to shoot the goanet messenger, perhaps because the message (or scientific paper) is above their level.:=)) Regards, GL -----------?Mario Goveia I may be taking my life in my hands here by entering where even angels fear to tread: between Gilbert Lawrence and Santosh Helekar:-))? However, as the only real voice for truth, reason and peace on Goanet, I must say I am mystified by this thread. In the link posted by Gilbert one sees an announcement of a study that apparently indicates that the "threat of punishment" deters selfish people, who are called "freeloaders" in this article, from breaking rules of normal, civil behavior and encourages them to be considerate of others. In my opinion, the term "punishment" is hyperbole in this article because the examples of "punishment" that are mentioned are not corporal or physical, but more like disapproval and public embarrassment and losing some privilege or "points" in a game.? The phrase "negative consequences" would be far more appropriate. The salutory effect of some negative consequences for inappropriate behavior makes intuitive common sense. How Gilbert took this to justify the effectiveness of corporal punishment for children when he likened it to the old adage "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is a total mystery to me.? Even more bizarre was his rhetorical question likening corporal punishment in bringing up children with the Inquisition where alleged heretics were mercilessly punished and tortured, even put to death, by unspeakably cruel methods. ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:54:29 +0530 From: "S SAWAIKAR" <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Some of the Irritating points. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dears, Government of India cut down concession given to Hajj Pilgrims utilize same on development and education of Indian Muslim woman. The post which are kept for reserved seat in the Government office, if the eligible candidate doesn't come for that post, what Govt. Official do of the post? There at least 1500 vacancies in post but they not filling them why? S. Sawaikar ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:20:13 +0530 From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Mumbai blast and Italian Indian Congress To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This SECOND message is in reply to Message: 10 date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 from: Selma Carvalho under subject: Mumbai blast and Italian Indian Congress Selma writes: Barad should ask the members of his BJP party, Who got independence without fighting? Because most of them cowards that they were, were in hiding during the fight for independence, so they should know better than anyone else who got independence without fighting? Not the Congress of India, who spent many years fighting and spending their lives in jail, so that the Barads of today can roam the country free and dissolve the very foundations of a secular India, that the Congress had paid for with their lives. My pertinent response to the very posting of Selma: 1. Selma please answer your own question as to who got independence without fighting? In fact this was my pertinent question and you twisted it. 2. Selma tell me who where those coward BJP persons hiding when the fight for independence was going on? 3. Who got independence without fighting? And that was my main question. 4. Who are those congressmen who fought and spend their lives in Jail and enjoyed the benefits of independent India later? 5. Who are those Congress persons who have laid the foundation of secular India? And lastly, Selma please don't forget to define the word Secular & Secularism as is applicable to our India. Also don't forget to write few lines on what is going on in Goa under pretext of Secular and Secularism. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 12:36:36 +0530 From: "Arwin Mesquita" <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Landlords Capitalistic Excuse To: Goanet <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 *Landlords defend SALE of Goa to the highest bidder; non**-goans** in particular. My criticism is not for Landlords who will not Sell Goa; no matter the price. **It also is not to Goans, who have not gone into real estate; to sell same at a higher rate to outsiders. **Many Outsiders & politicians with illegitimate wealth, invest in Goa's Properties; should Goans suffer because they generally, don't have this illegitimate wealth? * *Capitalist excuse does not hold; as Capitalism does not take precedence over the interests of the society? Landlords ignore that there is a civilized Global understanding on the latter. **For instance, why are there Government controls on basic food essentials; what if these were at the mercy of capitalism? *** *Business deals should have social responsibilities. **If any action affects the society, then it has to be stopped. If Landlords have a right to sell land, so do people in the society have the right of priority; to live in decent clean, disease free environment with stable infrastructure, reduced contamination levels, sense of identity, maintaining livelihoods, safety etc **Today, Goa has significant problems resulting from Non-Goan land sales, Mega projects** favouring** outsiders, un-necessary constructions etc. **If the Society suffers, then the so called rights of these specific Capitalistic Anti-Goan Landlords are not valid. Arguments for protection of their land should be addressed, to ensure Landlords rights are protected, but the arguments should not be an excuse to SELL GOA. * Each community has limits to non-local land sales; to safeguard its identity. Unlike other states, Tolerant Goa has way crossed the limit & now needs safeguards. The current land sales rate will make Goans irrelevant & no community will accept the same, for themselves. Let's focus on what's right for Goa; not what is Legal for Goa.** *Arwin Mesquita, UAE.* * * -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:01:34 +0530 From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1567 To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" This message is in reply to message from Jesus Mario B. Fernandes, w.r.t. subject: Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1567 Jesus writes: Dr. Barad making good points as in the appended message? 'His' whole post came to me as a 'forward' in verbatim from a friend from Qatar and was also sent as an sms message from a Goan friend, last week. The only line Dr. Barad has added is the ususal tirade blaming Congress and Sonia. I wish he had mentioned it to readers before sending it as 'his' own masterpiece. But then can anyone expect anything better from him? ( Goanet members please check his spelling and grammatical mistakes) My Response: I pray . Oh my Lord Jesus .. forget what I have done wrong by taking birth on this planet and yet trying to educate the person(s) on this planet. My question to Lord Jesus: would you help the person with your name writing rubbish? Beast regards, Dr. U. G. Barad ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 05:34:57 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Old Practice as New Science To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Mario Goveia <[email protected]> wrote: > >In my opinion, the term "punishment" is hyperbole in this article because >the examples of "punishment" that are mentioned are not corporal > or physical, but more like disapproval and public embarrassment and >losing some privilege or "points" in a game. The phrase "negative > consequences" would be far more appropriate. > The authors of the original article use punishment in the technical sense in which it is used in psychology. That is not hyperbole. A good analogy is the use of the word "interest" in finance or economics. Here are two definitions of the general sense in which the word "punishment" is used in psychology: "Punishment is any change in a human or animal's surroundings that occurs after a given behavior or response which reduces the likelihood of that behavior occurring again in the future." http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Punishment-(psychology) "Punishment is defined as the administration of aversive stimulus to reduce or eliminate unwanted behavior. It can be either physical or nonphysical." http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_g2699/is_0005/ai_2699000594 Cheers, Santosh ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 06:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Rescue Bombay To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii --- On Wed, 12/10/08, Marshall Mendonza <[email protected]> wrote: > > A very good editorial in the Times of India dt 10.12.2008 > > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/BRIEF-CASE__Maximum_City/rssarticleshow/3814464.cms > It is hard to imagine why this editorial would be a very good editorial for anyone who is not interested in partisanship and the narrow perspective of propaganda on behalf of one political party or another. Most people would like to know from Times of India, in an objective manner, how the investigation of the terrorist attack in proceeding, and what is being done to track down its masterminds and prevent such attacks in the future. Indeed, from this important perspective, the above editorial is a very bad editorial proving yet again that the editor(s) of Times of India are more interested in being political hacks, even in the wake of a national tragedy. Cheers, Santosh ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:58:46 +0530 From: "Cecil Pinto" <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Photo Caption Contest - please forward to creative people To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Please check out the photo at: http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/xmas/contest/ and give it a one-line caption Send in your caption to <[email protected]> Winning caption will get a "Red & Green Christmas Greeting" delivered to a person of your choice anywhere in Goa Prize described at: http://www.goa-world.com/goa/expressions/xmas/ (only flower arrangement option) Last date for captions: 16th December 2008 Prize Announcement: 18th December 2008 Jury decision is final. Jury: Beatrice & Cecil Pinto Photo by: Nishita Zachariah Models: Anubhav, Desmond, Klavett, Fabian -------------- Please forward to creative people ======== ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:28:59 -0800 (PST) From: Goa Observer <[email protected]> Subject: [Goanet] Photo(s): Pristine Waters, Hollant Beach - Goa To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The Hollant beach attracts huge crowds of visitors and tourists. Those visiting Bogmalo beach never miss this magnificent beach. The Hollant beach, 2 km away offers beautiful views encompassing the main southern beaches of Goa, along with the foothills of the Western Ghats. In earlier times this calm water cove served as the safe harbor for the Arab dhows trading with Goa. The Portuguese had a customs clearing post at this site. Near by there is a railway track of the southern Railway and the Zuarinagar railway station. Links : #98 onwards http://www.flickr.com/photos/goaobserverstream/page7/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goaobserverstream/page6/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goaobserverstream/page5/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goaobserverstream/page4/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goaobserverstream/page3/ untill 186 http://www.flickr.com/photos/goaobserverstream/page2/ Visit : http://www.flickr.com/photos/goaobserverstream/ for the Latest! End of Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 1579 ***************************************
