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Sangath, www.sangath.com, is looking to build a centre for services, training and research and is looking to buy land of approx 1500 to 2000 sq mtrs betweeen Mapusa and Bambolim and surrounding rural areas If you have land to sell, please contact: contac...@sangath.com or yvo...@sangath.com or phone +91-9881499458 http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2009-July/180028.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ah, I've always said I have a long memory on Goanet :-)Now, let me put in as succintly as I can:1. Men believe, making young girls dance naked, will appease the rain-God.2. Men believe, letting young girls have convulsions, will rid them of the devil possessing their body.Is there any tangible difference between the two? No, both are irrational beliefs and the reason we know they are irrational is because our body of knowledge has expanded. It is just a matter of educating people to expand their body of knowledge. With education comes change. Best,Selma ------- I knew you had a bone to pick with me (long time coming, I was waiting) I too have a long memory. Thanks for putting Pagan Rituals and Pota in the same bracket. Belief in Paganism does not mean decent moral code of conduct has to be ignored. Your No 2. Yes, there is a huge difference, all girls do not want to take their clothes off (even men for that matter). Not all girls have convulsions (even educated people have convulsions, they just get hypnotised). All girls in that village were forced by the elders to strip if not they are beaten, I have lived in Madhya Pradesh Jungle Mines for 5 years, I know the punishment. When I was in Pota one man started talking in tongues, no one else, his sister said I knew he would do that (are you saying he and his sister are not educated, he is a business man and she a teacher). It is a choice to get psychologically traumatised, his sister chose not to (education has nothing to do with convulsions). Another woman started crying hysterically, she was removed, for being a nuisance. Another Hindu man came marching up to the alter and prostrated (attention seeking) (that Hindu man was in the same bus with us). Your No 3. Yes, our body willing to except knowledge should be educated. But who will take on that task? Certainly the Hindus have not done that as yet (2009), instead they kill the missionaries who try to educate them. Shouldn't the educated Hindus instead of going to the Banaras or the Himalayas for personal purification of going to heaven, help the priests (I mean to at least tell the people that these Priests do not BITE and see for themselves too that these priests do not instigate violence; instead they choose to talk big on Internet). Its OK for FN to say let people believe in whatever they want to, if so, why Afghanistan and Iraq? If Hindus do not want to educate people in this 21st century of ours. What chance have these people got? Last of all, to have convulsions or not, it is a personal choice,(some do, some dont). There are young people who will marry outside their cast (or whatever) JUST to annoy authority - these people will never get convulsion no matter how much you try, instead they will give you one. That is the difference. Caj. Selma, after studying astrology (out of curiosity) - (Sir Isac Newton said to his friends "if you have not studied astrology do not comment - I have"). I now know that you cannot change a person's psyche, if they are vulnerable to be hypnotised they will, Daren Brown picks one out of 100 to be hypnotised, because he knows they can be manipulated.