Dear sir, There was an article on Goa-net by an NRI whose name is Mr. Joe and his email id is not disclosed.
This NRI had a problem in his getting his mutation done , he has narrated his overall experience. I would like to know the person's email id if he permits as I am also facing the same problem with my mutation to be done at the Mamlatdar office at Mapusa regarding my land at Nerul village, Bardez taluka, Goa. Hope you will help me in this matter. I am enclosing the copy of the article for your reference. The Part I of this article I have never gone through. Kindly mail me the same. Is there any way that I can get help say agent or so in getting my mutation done as I am stationed at Mumbai. Thanking you, Shaila From: JoeGoaUk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2008 11:20:37 AM Subject: [Goanet] mutations & Form I & XIV (part II) [Goanet] mutations & Form I & XIV (part II) Part II After finally handing over the file to the Computer Dept (Talathi of Mutation), they will call you back say after one weeks time to collect the notice (form X) For X (notice) says. that ..if no objection received either orally or written within 15 days from the date of receipt of this notice, it shall be presumed that you agree to the mutation entry etc. The notices to be posted by you to the all parties appears in the form I&XIV -by Regd/AD costing Rs.24 each within India (foreign address costing more). When you are there say after a week or so, they would most likely to send you back saying come after another 2-3 days blaming electricity failure, short staff etc. They will give you notice (Notice form X). Where is the list of occupants on the Notice? The list is too long, you take it from the Form I & XIV says ToM Wait a minute, what about their addresses, there are about 75 names? That's your problem and not mine say ToM again. How and where I should find all the addresses? 'See, we told you that's your problem' says ToM clerk I said (whispered) 'you bast**ds' You have to make photocopies of the Notice and post to all parties concerned. At Panjim, they will call you back just before posting to get each and every envelope/notice rubber stamped (with Talathi office address) and if the list is long, they hand over the stamp to you to do it yourself. You then go the post office at registration counter. You send all the notices in the name of 'Talathi of Mutation' so when signed AD or the letter received undelivered etc it directly goes to the Talathi of Mutaion. If the husband & wife names appear, can we post them jointly as they live together? Saying To Mr. Joe Boncao Mrs. Joan Boncao H.No. 10 Urtor Mollar Po Majorda Goa No, at Vasco they made us to re-send them separately i.e. One letter to Joe Boncao and another to Mrs. Joan Boncao (both living under the same roof though) OK, Next what now? Wait for 15 days plus give another 15days and relax, your job is done? .Don't even think about it, you are not even half way through. After about one month one has to go their to follow up.. there they will tell some or one notice has come back undelivered/ unclaimed/ refused/address not known etc. If ask why we were not told either by letter or phone, they say they don't do that and we should come there for enquiries. (usually we put our addresses and contact no. on the front of the file) So what now? Make an affidavit on Rs.20 stamp paper requesting for alternate service i.e. newspaper advertisement. Depending upon the length of the list/names on form I &XIV, a news paper ad will cost you minimum Rs.1500-3000 to Max say up to 6000-12,000. Tip. Always go to Gomantak Times, it's the cheapest say 1500 minimum the same may cost you elsewhere Rs.3000. Notice with say up to 20 names will cost you Rs.1500 on GT. News paper notice says ..notice sent to you came unclaimed/refused/ undelivered etc and that after 15 days from the date of publication of this notice, if no objection received it shall be presumed that you agree to mutation entry. Take a copy (the whole page with date etc) of the Newspaer Ad, mark it (encircle) with Mutation No. with date and hand over to the office of Talathi of Mutation.. Then what? Wait for 15 days or say 30 days and your job will be done automatically? I don't think so. Say after one month, when you go their for follow up.. They will now say, the file is with CI. Now who is this bl**dy CI? CI = Circle Inspecter, he has to approve it first before making the entry. Where is he sitting? Some where in the Mamlatar office. You go to see him and they say he as gone out for a cup of tea and the time is just after 5pm (so he is not likely to come back now as Govt office timing up to 5.30pm) So, another vist Another hafta? Note: at Vasco, at this stage, they will say.. - Waiting for CI approval, for which You have to see him personally. - Waiting for village Talathi report (not required at Panjim) To catch talathi, you have to go to village panchayat where he comes 2/3 time a week only. Is there any way out? 'I will see if he does when I see him at this office, by paying Rs.200' says ToM. 'Don't worry, I will pay that too' says the applicant. Summary: Total number of (Minimum) Visits to ToM (Talathi of Mutation) Enquiry (things/docs required for mutation) Enty /file submitting Collecting notice form X Rubber stamping Enquiry after say 25 days after posting Filing affidavit Collecting notice for publication Presenting/submitti ng Newspaper Enquiry say after 25 days from date of publications Meet CI Other visits: Post office for Stamped envelope Photocoping (notices) Post Office Registration Advocate for Affidavit/notary (Typist, Stamp paper vendors) News paper Cost: Regd//AD Rs.24 (if 10 Rs.2400 or if 100 then Rs, 2,400) plus cost of envelopes Photocopies (Rs. 100 for 100) Affidavit (100) News paper ads (1500-6000) Minimum 10 visits (travelling- petrol/ bus/ pilot, loss of wages, chaa-pani etc) Bribe: (optional, but recommended to get your work done quicker and hassle-free, i am not in favour though) Below may be good for straight forward cases only. ToM (Rs.500) The Clerk (Rs.200) Talathi village (Rs.200) CI (may be another Rs.200) What if you don't pay them anything? Expect.. Delays Silly excuses Unnecessary Number of Visits Loss on transport/travellin g expenses Loss of wages/leave, if you take a day off or half day off Loss of valuable time and energey. Loss of Patience If you put together all the above expenditure, you will realize that what you actually spent over the period of time (chasing after your case etc) is lot expensive than what you would have paid as 'unofficial processing fees' Plus saving of time, patience, energy etc Yehi hai India Hem Amchem Goem