Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:21:39 -0500
From: "J. Colaco  < jc>" <[email protected]>

I will let you research for yourself what "severe restrictions"
current law  places or does NOT in the second trimester until
"viability" is reached........which, you may or may not know - is
usually 8 weeks after the second trimester commences.

Mario responds to the out of context poppycock above:

The United States Supreme Court decisions on abortion, including Roe v. Wade, 
allow states to impose more restrictions on post-viability abortions than 
during the earlier stages of pregnancy.

As of April 2007, 36 states had bans on late-term abortions that were not 
facially unconstitutional (i.e. banning all abortions) or enjoined by court 
order.[16] In addition, the Supreme Court in the case of Gonzales v. Carhart 
ruled that Congress may ban certain late-term abortion techniques, "both 
previability and postviability".

All[17] of the 36 state bans are believed by pro-choice organizations to be 
unconstitutional.[18][19] The Supreme Court has held that bans must include 
exceptions for threats to the woman's life, physical health, and mental health, 
but four states allow late-term abortions only when the woman's life is at 
risk; four allow them when the woman's life or physical health is at risk, but 
use a definition of health that pro-choice organizations believe is 
impermissibly narrow.[16] Assuming that one of these state bans is 
constitutionally flawed, then that does not necessarily mean that the entire 
ban would be struck down: "invalidating the statute entirely is not always 
necessary or justified, for lower courts may be able to render narrower 
declaratory and injunctive relief."[20]

Also, 13 states prohibit abortion after a certain number of weeks' gestation 
(usually 24 weeks).[16] The U.S. Supreme Court held in Webster v. Reproductive 
Health Services that a statute may create "a presumption of viability" after a 
certain number of weeks, in which case the physician must be given an 
opportunity to rebut the presumption by performing tests.[21] Therefore, those 
13 states must provide that opportunity. Because this provision is not 
explicitly written into these 13 laws, as it was in the Missouri law examined 
in Webster, pro-choice organizations believe that such a state law is 
unconstitutional, but only "to the extent that it prohibits pre-viability 
abortions".[18]

Ten states require a second physician to approve.[16] The U.S. Supreme Court 
struck down a requirement of "confirmation by two other physicians" (rather 
than one other physician) because "acquiescence by co-practitioners has no 
rational connection with a patient's needs and unduly infringes on the 
physician's right to practice".[22] Pro-choice organizations such as the 
Guttmacher Institute therefore interpret some of these state laws to be 
unconstitutional, based on these and other Supreme Court rulings, at least to 
the extent that these state laws require approval of a second or third 
physician.[16]

Nine states have laws that require a second physician to be present during 
late-term abortion procedures in order to treat a fetus if born alive.[16] The 
Court has held that a doctor's right to practice is not infringed by requiring 
a second physician to be present at abortions performed after viability in 
order to assist in saving the life of the fetus.[23]

Jose wrote:

I will NOT bring in the unconnected Third-party responsibility for
death of a fetus - into this discussion. Suffice it to say that
Third-party responsibility does not equate to a fetal (unborn's)
right, AND that a fetus cannot sue a mother nor can he/she inherit
anything until born alive.

Mario observes:

Of course you won't bring this in because it would expose your poppycock.  If a 
foetus has NO right to life, it cannot logically be included as being a victim 
of a crime in which it is killed.




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