Mr U. G. Barad seems to have only negatives to discuss. The only agenda of
your debate is to belittle the Catholics... I bless you! We need good
people like you to guide us. But, One request go and read (if your are
Hindu then I presume you have) the Vedic Literature which shows us at least
ten important features of the Prajapati-sacrifice which was are completely
fulfilled in Jesus' crucifixion and resurrection. I believe Vedas are the
sacred Scriptures and the final authority of Hindu religion and philosophy.
It is surprising to encounter the hidden Christ in the Vedas, the
Purusa-prajapati (the Son of Man and the Lord of all) who gave Himself in
sacrifice for the salvation of mankind. The Prajapati Sacrifice portrayed in
the Vedas is literally fulfilled in the real Prajapati Sacrifice of the Lord
Jesus Christ, such as sinlessness, the sepatation, the rejection, the silent
suffering, trying to the sacrificial pillar, the shed blood, unbroken bones,
returning to life. In the Vedas, the birth of our lord and savior Jesus
Christ, and the good news of the gospel are revealed in the upanisads.
CAME DOWN TO THE PLANET EARTH
A famous verse from the Kathopanisad describes the manifestation of god in a
beautiful and powerful image. The Purusa-Prajapati from the Rg Vedic
Purusasukta we can easily see the significance of the above verses in
relation to the Asvattha tree or Vanaspathi. The tree came down to earth to
give mankind eternal shelter through its sacrifice. (John 13:19) - The
expresion, 'I am He' is very significant . He was saying that they would
understand and believe that Jesus was the Man (the Purusa) about whom the
sacred books have spoken. He was the "man of sorrows' who was despised and
rejected by men.
THE CROWN OF THORNS
We read about the ceremony of this separation in the thirteenth kandha of
the 'Sathapathabrahmana. Somethimes they set apart the sacrificial animal by
a crown made out of a creeping plant of the forest. This seperated animal
deserves no sympathy. It cannot be used for any other purpose. Once it is
separated, it is separated for ever for the offering. This feature is also
fulfilled in Jesus' sacrifice. Jesus was completely separated for the
eternal sacrifice. John recorded his in John 19:2,5
THE REJECTION
Without the rejection, the third characteristic of the Prajapatisacrifice,
the sacrifice would not have been preformed. First of all, this rejection
happened in heaven in the Man's Sacrifice. In the Purusasukta when the devas
sacrificed the Purusa, God the father was silent. We can find this feature
in the animal sacrifice which is the second stage of the sacrifice.
G.Suseelan makes referance to htis in the Itareya Brahmana in the context
suggested by this translation: "The sacrificial animal should be rejected bt
its father, mother, brother, sister and friends." The animal has to be
completely abandoned and seperated for the sacrifice. This is exactly
fulfilled in Jesus. St. John wrote about this (John1:11) The great Apostle
Paul was rejected by his own people in this period of his life time. In this
rejection we see one of the important aspects of the Prajapati-Sacrifice as
well as its fulfillment. When we are forsaken by our friends and relatives
we must not be dismayed. Remember, we are identifying with the Man (Pursa)
who was rejected by his own people and who gave himself for us in the
perfect sacrifice.
THE SILENT SUFFERER
Here, we see that Purusa-Prajapati silently gives himself in this great
offering. The words of the Rg Veda describe so well the attitude of the Man:
"like a horse I have yoked myself-well knowing to the pole. I seek neither
release nor turning back." In the Vedas, the person who kills the
sacrificial animal is called 'samitara which means silencer. His job is to
make the animal calm. In order to make him calm he asks the animal to be
quiet. We have references in the Taittiriya Samhita and in the Apastamba
'srutasutram. However, it is an important characteristic encountered in the
Prajapati-Sacrificial. This is fulfilled in Jesus in its strictest sense.
About 700 years before the Lord Jesus Christ, the Prophet isaiah predicted
it.
CLOSE TO THE CROSS
In the sacrifice of the Man in the Purusasukta we see the Purusa is also
tied to the sacrificial post. "Deva Yadyajnam tanvana abadnan purusam pasum"
(The davas who performed this sacrifice tied Purusa, the sacrificial
animal.) "yajnam yajnasadhanabhtan tan Purusam pasutvabhavanaya yupe
baddham" Here the Purusa is pictured as the victim of sacrifice who is tied
to the sacrificial post like an animal. In the Rg Veda, He yoked Himself to
the pole like a horse. He sought neither release nor turning back. The cross
was the sacrificial post of Jesus Christ.
Do not take everything that comes your way through Internet and Media by
pinch of salt. There is famous inscription on US currency 'In God We Trust'
but this time and age most Americans do not even believe GOD exist. All Men
of God are man, and they are bound to falter.
Warm regards,
Agnelo
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:40:51 +0530
From: "U. G. Barad" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [Goanet] All Religions for Human Integral Development
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Fr. Ivo in reply to above post, wrote on Sat, 24 Jul 2010 saying: ".. In
short, Christian conversion is a birthright in the secular democracy.
...If
all Hindus and men of goodwill had thought in this way, India would be
really shining!..."
Further to my earlier post of today on above subject I was taken aback
when
I opened 9th page of Times of India - Goa addition. This page takes
detailed
stock of how "Italian catholic church rocked by gay sex scandal...Priests
filmed having sex at clubs in Rome". The original news appeared in
"Panorama" - a weekly magazine owned by Italian Prime Minister - supposed
to
be responsible citizen of Italy.
If one reads the details given in my earlier post today, on above subject,
together with this post and considering the self entertainment facility
built in, one would definitely like to join Fr. Ivo in says "...If all
Hindus and men of goodwill had thought of this way, India would be really
shining!...."
To watch video from Panorama on above issue click:
http://gawker.com/5595501/catholic-priests-filmed-at-gay-nightclub-church-up
set
Best regards,
U. G. Barad
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 07:25:08 +0530
From: "U. G. Barad" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: [Goanet] All Religions for Human Integral Development
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Fr. Ivo, after admiring his friend Dr. Santosh Helekar, wrote: ".. In
short,
Christian conversion is a birthright in the secular democracy. ...If all
Hindus and men of goodwill had thought in this way, India would be really
shining!..."
After reading Fr. Ivo's 2nd sermon (which according to Fr. Ivo could be an
explanation) on above subject, I happened to read Times Magazine - USA
edition, dated 7th June 2010. This issue carries photograph of Pope on
cover
page and lines reading "Why Being Pope Means Never Having To Say You're
Sorry".
The magazine also gives list of sex-abuse and cover-up scandals that took
place in Ireland between 1936 - 2009; Mexico between 1940 - 2005;
Wisconsin
between 1950 - 1998; Boston between 1962 - 2002; Germany between 1970 -
2010; Belgium between 1970 - 2010; Austria between 1975 - 1995; Minnesota
between 2004 - 2006; Brazil between 2007 - 2010.
This issue quotes what Benedict XVI acknowledged on Tuesday, May 11, 2010.
On this day, he offered the most significant comment to date - an
acknowledgement that the catholic church's global clergy sex-abuse and
cover-up scandals is far too grave to be fixed by words alone. He said
"The
greatest persecution of the church doesn't come from enemies on the
outside
but is born from the sin within the church.. The church needs to
profoundly
relearn penitence, accept purification, learn forgiveness but also
justice."
In this context, it would be fine to have Fr. Ivo's straight forward
clarifications (with citation of authentic references as he always does in
his point-wise explanations) on: What are the "sins", whom the "penitence"
and "justice" pontiff Benedict XVI refers too? Why are these sex-abuse and
cover-up scandals taking place within church? Are such things taking place
in church only because church's clergy need not have to say "I'm sorry"
after committing scandal? Or creating such scandals are also birthright
offered after becoming Christian clergy? :)-
Best regards,
U. G. Barad
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