Dear Vasant, I have only pointed at Indian Hindus for the cste system prevailing in India and amongst Indians abroad too. U have gone on a tangent and using Sameer's words as my posting. That is where Sameer is trying to confuse. Neither have I spoken of vote banks politics here and only of the casteist saffron brigade. I have spoken purely of the evil of caste and casteism, that prevails only in India and only among Indians abroad.
Here even U are trying to confuse people about Class distinctions and Caste distinctions. U guys are saying that, "one has to be born a Brahmin to be a Brahmin", and "once a Brahmin, always a Brahmin!" Does this not imply racism? If I bring a harijan , educated and scholarly in Hindu religion, will you ordain this persona "Brahmin"? NO U will not. Or will M. Parrikar loose his marbles and be harijan one day? That is casteism. A person born into a caste is always there, even in so called re -incarnation? He/she cannnot shake it off! 'Cause of the imposed system by the upper castes! That is Casteism quite different to Class distinction that u are trying to get 'readers' confused with! If it were not, then there would be no caste names, in the first place. Then U are talking about Bhuddists. There are hardly any Bhuddists in India to make an impact. Bhuddists and Bhuddism thrived all around India; Buddism was driven out of India five centuries ago? Why and by the upper casted Hindus, as then, there would be no caste prevailing and all would be equal, except in individual or family or group achievements. The caste Hindus never liked it, so they drove Bhudda and his teachings away. "A casteless society",that is what I want for India. Therefore "RENOUNCE CASTEISM NOW, and get into a program to Eradicate This EVIL. U do not have to remove yourself from the caste that U are born into, if U are in a priveledged caste! But do denounce Casteism. That is a BIG Difference! Caste or Race is neutral to Christianity as a religion; there are Christian Hindu, Christian African, Christian Chinese, Christian Europeon, and Christian Mixed persons and so on. So when a Brahmin caste/ race person becomes a Christian he is still a brahmin since he belongs to the race/ caste. All that he has to do is not to practice Casteism (that the Hindus do) or any sly distinctions based on caste system. I think that is being accomplshed by and large among Goan brahmin Christians. The Christian Religion is not about social mores, and accommodates the race/caste the person is born into. His behavior the is for his 'Conscience" and his understanding of God's Love. Hindu upper castes are utterly lacking in God's Love for others, more so the so called lower castes. That is what is BAD about the HINDU society, and the Casteists. Vasant, any amount of mixing up of 'Topics' will not get the Mud off the Casteist Hindu. Mud Sticks remember? and it has stuck for centuries. So what are U doing about it. The saffron brigade is trying to entrench this position by trying to get into power in New Delhi, and then they will just ignore all who are not upper caste Hindus and even have a POGRAM, like in Modi's Gujerat. Enough said for now. India must Change now. Either all become Brahmins or all become Sudhir. What is your choice Vasant? No hard feeligs. Nascy. --- On Fri, 13/8/10, Vasant Baliga <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Nascy, > Greetings! > I am in agreement about religious reform in India and in > Hinduism- and it's > impact on other religions and one hopes that it will come > in time-but your > attempt to blame Hinduism for all the faultlines in > other religions in India > does not wash and is not borne out by facts. > > Christianity and Islam are hundreds of years old in India > and have allowed the > caste and class system to prevail for their own > ends,basically to increase the > numbers-and how come there is no Casteism among > Buddhists?? > > Do you honestly blame Hindus for the Casteism in > Christianity after 400 odd > years in Goa?How come the Church did not take a more > proactive stance to > eradicate Casteism in it's midst and in fact protected it > and nurtured it until > recently?India came into Goa only in 1961-what happened > before that between the > Vatican and the Portuguese for 450 years-do you blame > Hinduism for that?-And > racism and social stratification in Islam is endemic > in Arab countries-we have > lived in Dubai for many years and know it.So please don't > pile on Hindus for the > social evils of other religions in India. > > The BJP does not command 100% of the Hindu vote-remember we > had a Christian > CM(Congress) in Hindu Andhra Pradesh.So there is no point > in blaming the BJP-the > Congress is equally responsible as the biggest practitioner > of Religious Vote > Bank politics.Mayawati formed a coalition in UP between > Dalits,Muslims and > Brahmins to win the elections-Gandhi ji must be > laughing!Rajiv Gandhi with a > Parsi father-wore his Brahmanical Sacred Thread at his > Mother's funeral-what > does it tell you about the Congress? > "Nascy can take on Santosh any time; but I do not think he is a hardened Casteist, he is just born a brahmin?" As such he should agree with me, and RENOUNCE Casteism; else he becomes a Casteist. > I will leave it to Santosh to answer you about your over > the top and under the > belt unfair comment about him-anyone knowing Santosh is > aware that he is a true > rationalist who does not believe in Caste and Creed. > > I would like to believe that as a true follower of > Christ,you are not a Hindu > Hater and Baiter and that your harsh words do not > necessarily reflect your true > beliefs.Your continuing and Ad Hominem bitter attacks on > Hindus are > disappointing and are neither correct nor fair. > > Dev Tumka Boren Dis Deum! > Regards > > Vasant Baliga
