I had initiated this thread by presenting facts that contradict several myths perpetuated on Goanet. Here is that post of mine:
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-December/202417.html If you read that post, you will find that nowhere have I even mentioned Admin Noronha's name in it, let alone tried to smear him or say anything negative about him. If any reasonable person had a disagreement with what I wrote, he could have simply stated his disagreements, and provided reasons and facts to support them. But instead of doing so, Admin Noronha used the last two posts in this thread to attack me personally using his trademark smear and fabrication techniques that have now become well-known among several regular contributors to Goanet, and that have been shamelessly used by him again in his latest post appended below. Here are his last two posts: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-December/202435.html http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-December/202504.html Please read the above two posts and the post appended below, and tell me if they are simple honest disagreements/refutations backed by evidence, stated by an innocent man who is not interested in tearing down the person with whom he has a disagreement. Of course, now that Admin Noronha's fake pretense of being engaged in a simple disagreement, and the fact of not being able to back up any of his fabrications with facts, has been exposed, what else can he do? It is time for him activate his other trademark defense mechanism - whine and squeal about nouns and adjectives, and take offense in being called an administrator of Goanet. And then take his marbles and slink away, pretending once again that he is still the nice guy who never has the last word. It is the other guy who is mean to him. But thankfully, I was not served any word salads this time. Having said that I would like to present evidence to support my claim that four myths have been perpetuated on Goanet: "1. That we Indians were better off when we were under colonial occupation." There are numerous Goanet posts that state and/or imply this in many ways. In response to one of them Admin Noronha even asked the following: "Nice one! Can we get the Portuguese and British back, for a start?" ....Admin Noronha Please see: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-June/194050.html Here is another random one in this genre: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg28627.html "2. That we lived longer in the olden days." Here are two posts out of many that claim this. http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg70545.html http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg08943.html "3. That scientific progress and modern scientific medicine have not improved our lives." Here are two posts, one by Gilbert and another by Con providing a link to the same article on Huffington Post from a homeopathy publicist who claims this: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg60559.html "4. That ancient superstitions, faith-based nostrums, religious rituals and paranormal practices were better and more effective than modern scientific procedures." Here is an example of such a post with a claim that has been repeated over and over again: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg45040.html Here is another such claim among many: http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg46620.html Is there any chance now that Admin Noronha will provide evidence to back up his own claims, smears and fabrications? I am hoping that at least this time he will not run away from his responsibility as a journalist and Goanet administrator. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 12/4/10, Frederick Noronha <[email protected]> wrote: > > "Write with nouns and verbs, not with > adjectives and adverbs." -- > Strunk and White's The Elements of Style, Page 71. When the > adjectives > come thick and fast, you know you've lost it! > > In the earlier post from Helekar, I could entertain myself > counting: > bogus insinuations (aside: are their genuine > insinuations?)... > fabricated narratives... not a [...] genuine intellectually > honest > argument, spurious ideological smear... bogus propaganda > ... blatant > falsification of the facts... fabrication of a purely > self-serving > ideological narrative... hackneyed straw men... red > herrings and > insinuations... claim is dishonest and bogus... outright > fabrication... any scientifically literate person knows > [there's still > space for scientific illiterates to disagree]... a bogus > narrative as > well as dishonest insinuation... gratuitously > smearing others with > bogus insinuations and innuendo... recycling of a political > canard... > buzz words and dog whistles ... discredited... > political > propaganda.... word salad... bogus and disingenuous these > charges... > and so on. > > With some many adjectives, where is the logic? > > It has been noted earlier too that anyone who disagrees > with Helekar's > viewpoint are "smearing" him (or people he ideologically > agrees with). > When he disagrees with someone else, of course, it's all > for the > greater good of diminishing scientific illiteracy, or some > such > entirely laudatory (if self-appointed) task. > > To be able to use the word "admin" as a insult is another > achievement, > more so when Goanet is not just any highly unsucessful > network whose > main model is based on offending, insulting and abusing one > another. > > To easily dismiss people he disagrees with, Helekar claims > that > unnamed persons are making all kind of ludicrous arguments > on Goanet. > It would be very interesting to see who said what Helekar > claims they > said, and where. > > I don't believe anyone is fool enough to argue on Goanet, > as Helekar > claims that people on Goanet have been saying: > > QUOTE: > > 1. That we Indians were better off when we were under > colonial occupation. > 2. That we lived longer in the olden days. > 3. That scientific progress and modern scientific medicine > have not > improved our lives. > 4. That ancient superstitions, faith-based nostrums, > religious rituals > and paranormal practices were better and more effective > than modern > scientific procedures. > > UNQUOTE. > > Issues involved are far more subtle and complex than > Helekar makes > them out to be; creating strawmen is anyway a good way to > "win" cheap > arguments. > > Over to anyone else to continue with last-wordism on labour > this > point. I've said my bit. > > FN > > Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 >
