Dear Mr. Froilano Lobo, If you are going to revisit the missed choices of history, we should go back a bit farther and complain that Salazar should have offered us a whole series of options, including choice between membership in a Portuguese commonwealth, and full freedom, and stupidly did neither. Why just pin blame on the Indian Union, and exonerate our Portuguese masters? Regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (Victor Rangel is/was my cousin)
--- On Wed, 1/9/13, floriano lobo <floriano.l...@gmail.com> wrote: From: floriano lobo <floriano.l...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 10:42 PM Dear Victor Rangel, Sir, There may be a lot of truth in what Bernado says about Opinion Poll. Yes. Opinion Poll saved the skins of Goan and kept Goa from being wiped off the map of the World. But then, the Opinion Poll gave us Goans just two choices. 1. To Merge with Maharashtra 2. To be Unified with India as it's Union Territory [which later became one of it's STATES]. There should have been another slot on that ballot. 3. "REMAIN OUT OF THE INDIAN UNION" [YES/NO] This would have given true representation not requiring India to hold the much talked about plebiscite after 1961 In that case persons like Bernado and many others including 'moi' would be greatly pleased and RESTED. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor Rangel-Ribeiro" <vrangel...@yahoo.com> To: "Bernado Colaco" <ole_...@yahoo.co.uk>; " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis Dear Bernado, Once again, another example of your brilliant logic! A plebiscite was not held in 1962; that would have given us Goans a chance to decide our own future. You say this was obviously the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in 1961. Then you complain about the Opinion Poll, which allowed us to keep our own identity rather than being submerged in Maharashtra. You say that this Poll, which helped us Goans, was also the work of "crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in1961". Are you secretly pro-Maharashtra, Bernado, the very thing you accused JC of being? Bernado! Bernado! Think, before you thimk! And thimk, before you write. Ay ay ay! Regards, anyway, for providing today's entertainment. Victor --- On Tue, 1/8/13, Bernado Colaco <ole_...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: Bernado Colaco <ole_...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis To: "goanet@lists.goanet.org" <goanet@lists.goanet.org> Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 8:55 AM Why was there no plebiscite to accept ghanti rule in 1962? Why was the opinion poll orchestrated, and that too in 1967. This could only be the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in 1961. BC > For that matter ...... HOW does anyone KNOW what the majority of Goans wanted > in > 1962? > ? One can know that the majority of Goans residing in Goa did not want to renounce their decreed Indian citizenship, and register themselves as Portuguese nationals because they were given a chance to do this. For some this could be out of fear. But for many this was out of choice or indifference. In 1967 we know that 43.5% wanted to join the state of Maharashtra. So they could not have wanted to be Portuguese citizens or free themselves from India. Of the remaining 56.5%, 54.2% voted for Goa to remain a union territory of India. It is well known that a significant percentage of these wanted Goa to be a full fledged state within India. So even if a two-thirds majority of this segment wanted to secede from India, they would only amount to an overall minority of 36.1% against a coalition of 61.6% opting to remain Indian citizens. Cheers, Santosh
