Re: [Goanet] Subject: Old-style measurements... paileo,kudov, khandi Has chacha made a mistake or do some terms have different meanings in different villages? In my village (Velim) gin'nattem x2 = 1 an'nattem. Paili x 2 = 1 kuddov. Kuddov x 20 = 1 khanddi. Khanddi x 20 = 1 kumbh. Hence, 1 kumbh = 800 pailio. But by Chacha's reckoning 1 kumbh = 1600 pailio! In my village the monsoon or 'Pavsalli' crop is called Sorodd and the dry season (irrigated) crop is Vaingonn; Chacha's terms are interchanged. Chacha may please clarify. Kortad is, of course, the Portuguese translation of the Konkani 'katorn' that we use. Sebastian Borges On 26 Oct 2013 Alfred de Tavares <[email protected]> wrote:
Good... you guys are edifying our posterity in these weights & measures of millenia past. Soon our neonati generations will not know about this paraphernalia, essential to our goneby existence...&, good God forbid, such daily-requisite materials viz. pencils, slates, erasers, chalks, blackboards, sharpeners....PAPER may be heading towards oblivion. Ousch...as our Viviana, in Cal, is bound to say....how very apocalyptic... Thus a record of pre-kilogram....-littre measures, inalianable necessities of every-minute life, sketchily recorded. We had: Gui'natti/gui'natem X 4, equals 1 anna'tti (ten) X 4, equals 1 podd' x 4, equals i paili 4 pailis equal 1 mond(h); 5 paillis equal 1 vod'lo/dedd mond. All these measures could be asked for 'cortad' ie levelled with a stave or ?sui (suien) ie heaped/peaked-up. Then going higher: 20 monds equaled 1 Khandi and 20 khandis equaled 1 kumbh. These were almost always measured kortad; but could on occasion, depending on the avarice/cruelty pf the batkar (very rare) could be asked for in sui form. The proportion to ammount of seed to a field depend on type of field/cultivation: Thus, morod/terraceed fields on hillsides; khazan/low-lying, sub-river-level filled up (dyked, Dutch-style fields. Khazans in turn have two types of planting: pausav/vaingon is the rainy season crop and sorod is the dry season crop irrigated by respective village toyems/ponds/resevoirs which were filled up and used as sources of irrigation during dry season. These, again man'made water storages turn out rich yields of tastiest fish and the daily out and in flow of thei waters are regulated with admirably efficient sluice-gates. in our times their cash yields have crossed into crores at annual village comunidade auctions. There is much detail to be filled up, which I intend to do. I have just outlined the bare sketch What say Rico, JC. Sholud I turn in ove to Wikipedia, unless they already have it. What, for ex I have not proportions of seed to various fields/crops. Will do so in December. I use to help my Pai a good deal during the mirg/cultivation times, before going on to boarding school (LHS), colleged, etc. I promise also detailed list of the fluid-measurs: Xer, pau, so on. & the zot'ta, the plouging, the mownis, winowing..... I invite all informed friends to please fill in as details of yester-things tickle you minds. OBS: Victor Hugo's incomparable CHITRA has an enviable collection of all these implements. A reminiscent Chacha... --------------------- Sebastian Borges
