OK, thanks, I get it now. On 19 фев, 00:40, Adam Feldman <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Dmitry, > > The example you point to is showing all of the results as returned by > the API - it's simply setting itself to only request 4 results at a > time. The links at the bottom are tied to performing additional > requests (which are only done when one of the numbers is clicked), so > it's not quite related to showing the results. > > Unfortunately, we can't approve any use of the AJAX Search API which > does not include showing all results to the end user. However, if > your purposes are for research, you may be better served by checking > out our University API:http://research.google.com/university/search/ > > If approved, your research would be allowed with that API. > > Cheers, > Adam > > On Feb 18, 12:36 pm, Dmitry Shevchenko <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Greetings, everyone, thanks for the reply. Well, it's not that hard > > actually to change the code in such a fashion, that it will perform > > multiple query searches (thanks to Jeremy Geerdes for his advice). But > > it remains unclear about displaying results to the end user. We can in > > fact display to the student what are the links to his work, and for > > the teacher we display the summary of the work. Would that be legal or > > not? How about the sample from this link > > -http://www.google.com/uds/samples/random/lead.html > > - it seems to me that the results are displayed not exactly the way > > the search service returned them - first of all, the results are > > trimmed only to 4 pages for any query. And they are displayed not in > > the same format as the service returned them. > > > Actually we are doing this for educational non-commercial purposes > > only. But if that's forbidden, how about scientific purposes? We are > > performing an experiment - a number of documents are generated, using > > partially a set of links to the web (this does not involve Google > > services in our experiment). After that special network agents > > communicate with our system using the same interfaces the user would > > use (this is simulated, e.g. via Selenium). All this documents are > > submitted to the system and the number of correct identifications (is > > it plagiarised or not) is calculated (for different sizes of document > > splitting and thus of the queries submitted to the search system - > > that is achieved via a special adaptive system we are developing - > > right now we are testing it with MSN only). Is such experiment legal? > > > So I would be very much obliged to Jeremy Geerdes if he really > > contacts Google lawyers about that. Right now this is a local feature > > that is not used on the production servers. I simply developed that > > for research purposes. So the question consists of two parts. > > A. Is it legal to use such thing on an actual production server (for > > educational purposes only)? > > B. Is it legal to conduct a scientific experiment described above? > > With respect, > > Shevchenko Dmitry > > > On 16 фев, 21:26, Adam Feldman <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Please also take a look at the sections of the Terms of Use dealing > > > with displaying results to the end user. > > > > Cheers, > > > Adam > > > > On Feb 16, 3:31 am, Jeremy Geerdes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > To Vision Jinx's excellent reply, I would add a couple of thoughts. > > > > First, if the searches are triggered when a student submits the > > > > document or the teacher hits a button, rather than on a cron job, etc., > > > > I suspect you would be okay. The default SearchControl which Google > > > > built for use with the API can be set up to run multiple searches > > > > simultaneously, but as long as there is some form of user interaction > > > > (e.g., the user visits the page or submits the search query), it falls > > > > within the terms of service. And second, I do believe that, in the > > > > past, Google has worked with people developing such systems. I do not > > > > know what the terms of those previous arrangements has been, but it may > > > > be worth checking out. I will contact a couple of people at Google to > > > > draw their attention to this thread. > > > > > All of that said, as Vision Jinx noted of himself, I am not a legal > > > > expert, either. If you have any doubts about any of this, I would > > > > strongly recommend consulting someone who is. > > > > > Jeremy R. Geerdes > > > > Effective website design & development > > > > Des Moines, IA > > > > > For more information or a project quote:http://jgeerdes.home.mchsi.com > > > > [email protected] > > > > > If you're in the Des Moines, IA, area, check out Debra Heights Wesleyan > > > > Church! > > > > > On Feb 16, 2010, at 4:50 AM, Vision Jinx wrote: > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > First off, I am not a lawyer and I don't play one on TV so I would > > > > > always suggest that you seek professional legal council. > > > > > > With that being said, I do believe the APIs can not be used in an > > > > > automated fashion and would need to be the result of an end user, > > > > > meaning you can't use automated scripts to make the queries. > > > > > > But again, please read over the terms of use and see if any of them > > > > > apply to you, if there is any grey area that your not sure about this > > > > > is where I would most definitely ask a lawyer. > > > > > > Additionally, there are quite a few plagiarism services on the > > > > > Internet that I have seen, you can maybe also check some of them out > > > > > if looking for an alternative. (Not meaning they plagiarize, but scan > > > > > the Internet for plagiarism) > > > > > > Cheers! > > > > > Vision Jinx > > > > > > On Feb 16, 3:26 am, Dmitry Shevchenko <[email protected]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > >> Greetings, I am a researcher from Russia, and I am working on > > > > >> improving MOODLE - a well known educational system > > > > >> -http://moodle.org. One of the major problems we are dealing with is > > > > >> plagiarism - students often copy works from Internet. There is a > > > > >> special module, CROT > > > > >> (http://www.siberiasoft.info/index.php/features.html), developed for > > > > >> MOODLE by Sergey Butakov, that allows to perform both local and > > > > >> global > > > > >> searches. However, it uses for global search MSN. We modified the > > > > >> CROT > > > > >> codein ordertouse Google instead of MSN. We used as a base the code > > > > >> in the samples for PHP > > > > >> -http://code.google.com/intl/ru-RU/apis/ajaxsearch/documentation/. > > > > >> Everything works fine. > > > > >> Here is the algorithm that we use (without too much details): > > > > >> 1. Split the document into separate parts of fixed size. > > > > >> 2. For each part find the links and store them in a hash table. > > > > >> 3. Download the pages for the most popular links. > > > > >> 4. Compare it with the original document and calculate the measure of > > > > >> similarity (scientific part). > > > > >> 5. If the computed value is above specified threshold, report it to > > > > >> the teacher on a special status page (see the screenshot 1). > > > > >> The teacher can then look at the downloaded documents to compare them > > > > >> (see the screenshot 2). > > > > >> Everything works fine from the technical point of view. However, > > > > >> we're > > > > >> not sure about terms of usage. Is it legal to use google search > > > > >> service in such a way? We can place Google logo on the pages involved > > > > >> in this process, that global search is supported by Google ajax api > > > > >> (instead of bing service, as on screenshot 1). If not, what exactly > > > > >> do > > > > >> we need to change (or, if it's completely impossible, we will disable > > > > >> this new feature on our site). > > > > >> With respect, > > > > >> Shevchenko Dmitry. > > > > > >> Screenshot1.JPG > > > > >> 60KViewDownload > > > > > >> Screenshot2.JPG > > > > >> 147KViewDownload > > > > > > -- > > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > > > > Groups "Google AJAX APIs" group. > > > > > To post to this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > > [email protected]. > > > > > For more options, visit this group > > > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/google-ajax-search-api?hl=en.
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