2010/12/7 Ikai Lan (Google) <[email protected]<ikai.l%[email protected]> >
> I don't have anything to add to this discussion except that we're > always thinking of our users first. We recently published something > called the "Transparency Report" which shows which governments ask us > to take things down: > > http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests > > -- > Ikai Lan > Developer Programs Engineer, Google App Engine > Blogger: http://googleappengine.blogspot.com > Reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/appengine > Twitter: http://twitter.com/app_engine > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Jeff Schwartz <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Freedom of speech is always a worthwhile subject and its defense is the > > ethical and moral obligation of every freedom loving individual but > perhaps > > this is best discussed in a dedicated blog on the subject. > > > > On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 9:11 AM, nickmilon <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Philip +1 > >> Still I am not sure that G would surrender so easily as Amazon did, > >> there is a precedence: G vs Lieberman story: > >> > >> > http://googlepublicpolicy.blogspot.com/2008/05/dialogue-with-sen-lieberman-on.html > >> when G stood to its values. > >> > >> By the way ... > >> http://wikileaks.org/support.html doesn't work for me > >> > >> http://213.251.145.96/support.html is working (for the time been) > >> > >> > >> On Dec 4, 3:15 pm, Philip <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > It's sad that Amazon does not support customers that exercise the > >> > right of free speech. But I'd also assume that Google would not stand > >> > up against the us government for offending the first amendment. :-( > >> > > >> > However, I will still donate to Wikileaks and I would suggest anyone > >> > else to do the same:http://wikileaks.org/support.html > >> > > >> > "Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be > >> > limited without being lost." > >> > Thomas Jefferson > >> > > >> > "If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be > >> > led, like sheep to the slaughter." > >> > George Washington > >> > > >> > On Dec 4, 1:34 am, supercobra <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > Amazon and Google have been long-time partisans of freedom of > speech. > >> > > >> > > However in this case, the pressure coming from the government must > be > >> > > incredible. Amazon is not the only victim of these intimidations. US > >> > > government employees have been forbidden to visit Wikileaks sites > and > >> > > to discuss these matters on Facebook. At least one US university has > >> > > been 'persuaded' to ask their students not to reference any > Wikileaks > >> > > documents in their research papers... (how is that for doing > thorough > >> > > research!). > >> > > >> > > Even crounties bend under US pressure. We have seen it to be the > case > >> > > with Spain & Germany which dropped their lawsuits, investigations > and > >> > > enforcement of arrest warrants for torture and kidnappings > >> > > (renditions) after the US pressured them (source Wikileaks cables). > >> > > >> > > So I would assume that Google or any organization would probably > >> > > comply as well. > >> > > >> > > To ensure free speech can not be prevented by taking down web sites, > >> > > we need to create a totally distributed website hosting technology > >> > > based on BitTorrent or something similar. > >> > > >> > > Happy coding. ;-) > >> > > >> > > Daniel Guermeur > >> > > >> > > -- [email protected] > >> > > >> > > Co-author of App Engine Java and GWT Development: > http://bit.ly/hdTHyB > >> > > Blog:http://supercobrablogger.blogspot.com/ > >> > > >> > > On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 5:18 PM, nickmilon <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > > There is a lot of talk and flame wars going on "AWS vs GAE" topic, > >> > > > up > >> > > > to now all this talk was concentrated on technical and economic > >> > > > issues. > >> > > > News of Amazon throwing away the WikiLeaks website has raised new > >> > > > arguments on the cloud battlefront. > >> > > > So I want to raise here the hypothetical question what would be > the > >> > > > fate of WikiLeaks if it was hosted on App Engine ? > >> > > > (For obvious reasons I do not expect a definite yes/no answer from > >> > > > Google's team, but may be I am wrong) > >> > > >> > > > Happy coding:-) > >> > > >> > > > Nick > >> > > >> > > > -- > >> > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > >> > > > Groups "Google App Engine" group. > >> > > > To post to this group, send email to > >> > > > [email protected]. > >> > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> > > > [email protected]<google-appengine%[email protected]> > . > >> > > > For more options, visit this group > >> > > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > >> "Google App Engine" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> [email protected]<google-appengine%[email protected]> > . > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Schwartz > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "Google App Engine" group. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected]<google-appengine%[email protected]> > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google App Engine" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<google-appengine%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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