Hi Greg, ... > I'm curious to know which prices > you are comparing App Engine's new prices to when you say it is priced out > of the market. All of the comparisons we've done (and indeed the ones > people have shown that they've done in this Group) have shown that we ...
We use Rackspace for other apps. We pay $600 / month for a Quad Xeon, 16GB or RAM, and Raid 5 drive array. Rackspace tech support is 24x7, 1h hardware replacement guaranty. Rackspace manages hardware, OS, backups and we deal only with the app and the database. A server like this can take a huge amount of load... Add $300 / mth for a managed load balancer, add more servers has needed and you get a farm entirely managed by Rackspace tech support. Still not as cool as GAE auto-scalling and HR but close. IMHO, I think that it is key that App Engine pricing accommodate for small apps as well because this is the way to win consumers, consumers being developers in this case. The cloud company that wins them will win the majority of market share (e.g. mysql), but this is more about strategy than pricing. Daniel -- [email protected] http://supercobrablogger.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Gregory D'alesandre <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Daniel, > Thanks for the reply (and sorry to hear you won't be able to make it on > Thursday). We are definitely thinking long term and are excited for App > Engine to be around long term. In fact, that is the reason we are going > through this change now, so that people can start using App Engine without > wondering when the plug will be pilled. I'm curious to know which prices > you are comparing App Engine's new prices to when you say it is priced out > of the market. All of the comparisons we've done (and indeed the ones > people have shown that they've done in this Group) have shown that we are > actually bringing ourselves in line with the market rather than being > drastically cheaper than the market. I completely understand that the new > prices are higher than the old prices which is unpleasant (to put it mildly) > when you've gotten used to those prices. But I'd be interested in the > comparisons you've done on this. > Thanks again for your thoughts! > Greg > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 2:33 AM, supercobra <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Thank you for the invite but I am in Austin. :) >> >> So here is my input: >> >> Last year I co-wrote a book on GWT+GAE with Amy Unruh: >> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1849690448 >> >> I wrote that book because I saw something unique and every exciting to >> App Engine: Google App Engine is a **disruptive technology** as it is >> the only techno that scales automatically. A disruptive product is a >> dream for marketers because no competitors come close to this >> easy-scaling solution. None. Zero. There are left in the dust. >> >> So if priced correctly, there should be mass adoption to GAE. >> Developers will be coming in droves signing up for this awesome >> product, they won't look at any other solution because App Engine is >> simple and very affordable. They'll make demos and talks of their new >> little app running awesomely on App Engine and their friends >> developers will try App Engine out. >> >> However, if priced too high, App Engine will not be adopted. >> Developers won't run their little app on App Engine but on a >> competitors platforms and that is what they will demo to their friends >> and their friends will adopt that competitors technology. >> >> So if I was Greg D'Alesandre, I'd look at the long term goal because >> the race for cloud hosting has started, competition is fierce and with >> the new pricing **Google priced itself out of the market**. >> >> I see two reasons why the new pricing is so high. >> >> ** Why is App Engine new pricing so high? >> 1. because App Engine running costs is high >> or >> 2. because App Engine sees a huge opportunity in cloud hosting and >> wants to make lots of $ now >> >> ** Solutions >> 2. If App Engine wants to make lots of revenue then Greg D'Alesandre >> should look at the long term as discussed above. Doing some basic >> 'visioning' I see that most developers will move to cloud hosting and >> that an affordable entry level pricing is key to adoption. On the long >> run, Google will make more money with a smaller pricing because there >> will be mass-adoption. >> >> Maybe Google reasoning is: "well if you scale your app, you need one >> or two full time sysadmins to do the load balancing and db replication >> and this is very expensive, so App Engine is still cheaper than doing >> it the other way". Correct but this reasoning does not lead to the >> mass adoption. >> >> **Mass adoption in cloud hosting can only happen if the entry level >> price is painless because competitors have a painless entry level >> price point** >> >> 1. if running costs are high, then the solution is to have more >> customers so again a smaller price point is the way to be profitable >> by having more customers. >> >> I maybe missing something here because I am not an insider, however... >> I guess most App Engine developers are missing something here and left >> disappointed. >> >> Greg D'Alesandre: for people who are not in SA, would you discuss your >> points online? >> >> Daniel >> >> -- [email protected] >> http://supercobrablogger.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Gregory D'alesandre <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Hi Everyone, I know that the pricing changes are challenging and in some >> > ways hard to understand. So, we thought it might help to talk to the >> > App >> > Engine team about it in person, ask us questions you might have, and >> > maybe >> > have a beer with us. 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