I don't use frameworks in Python either. Ask my Dev team. They all but riot 
when they find a library they want to use and I say, figure out what it does 
and make your own, we don't have room for that thing.

Java aint Ruby on Rails. (or Oh please don't let it be) I get that the appeal 
of Java is that it is older than dirt and there is a framework for everything. 
You can use 1 frame work if it is a small one :-).

You are trading rapid elasticity for ease of development. You have to remember 
that when you are small Servers are cheap and humans are expensive. When you 
get to Google Scale that reverses.  GAE is optimized for near Google scale. 
(not all of Google, but Small Google product) if you are 1/1000th that the dev 
resources for optimization will kick your ass. Just like the guys who say they 
wont' do it.  Those are guys who don't spend $50k a month on hosting. When the 
amount you spend is double the cost of a dev, it is time to look at ways to 
cut that hosting in half using a dev, because you will break even, and give 
higher QoS.




> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:google-
> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Aleksei Rovenski
> Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2012 2:05 AM
> To: Google App Engine
> Subject: [google-appengine] Re: Startup time exceeded...on F4?!
>
> I can understand that GAE is more optimized for python than for java.
> Maybe it is a highly specialized tool for really tiny apps that use no
> frameworks. But I don't get one thing. How Google plans to compete for java
> apps by selling platform that forces you to not use frameworks? I simply
> refuse to go back into the 90's (in software development aspect, no problem
> otherwise :)). I simply do not want to drop dependency injection and other
> patterns I have been doing for many years already. If I must, then I think 
> it
> just isn't worth it.
> Seriously Java is about frameworks. Saying not to use frameworks in java is
> same as use python instead. No thanks.



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