Hi Vinny,
On 22/01/15 04:22, Vinny P wrote:
You're talking about the difference between adding the domain as a
secondary domain/adding it as an alias domain, correct?
Yes, I think so - don't recall the term "secondary, but looking at a
paid Google apps account, the option is described as: -
"Add another domain
Manage users and groups at an associated domain that you own,
independently of the primary domain."
...so I think we're talking about the same thing.
To connect a domain name to App Engine, it's always been recommended to
use the domain as a primary or an alias domain on Apps. Configuring it
as a secondary domain might give you distinct email accounts, but in my
experience that introduces strange issues for Apps management and config
- not only for App Engine but other services as well. I understand your
point, but at the same time I think the change helps streamline Apps and
probably helps reduce support costs as well. Frankly, I've always
thought it was strange that Apps had 3 different ways (primary,
secondary, alias) of configuring domains.
Re. problems, I haven't experienced those, but to be honest that's
probably because I'm not doing anything very complicated.
Re. "helps streamline Apps and probably helps reduce support costs", I
don't honestly see that - this change makes the "grandafathered" free
versions different from the standard version in functionality as opposed
to numerical limits (which is surely /less/ streamlined), and given that
were are talking about the unpaid versions I don't supposed an enormous
amount of resource goes into support.
FWIW, although Google have been silent on this issue, there is some
suggestion in the support forums that this was done to prevent abuse,
specifically to prevent people "selling" free apps accounts and using
this mechanism to switch domains. If that's the case, I'm a little
perplexed - seems like a crude way of combating the problem, and it
seems like a problem that is self-limiting in the sense that there can
only be a finite no. of these account out there. More to the point, I
feel as though I'm being punished for someone else's misbehaviour, and
that Google haven't been entirely straight about the fact, the timing,
or the rationale for the change.
It might seem churlish complaining about tweaks to a free service, and I
absolutely do appreciate the fantastic freebie that apps for domains was
(and continues to be, up to a point), but it does constitute a change
when we were told the service would be unchanged, and it does make my
existing accounts much less useful for my purpose, in part because this
has diminished my confidence in continuity of service.
If you absolutely must have free email accounts, I would suggest looking
at your registrar - GoDaddy and other registrars occasionally have sales
where they bundle free email or another service with the purchase of a
domain. It's entirely possible to configure an alias domain, use it for
an App Engine site, but to use an external mail service for that domain.
Sure - I run a bunch of servers with Virtualmin on them, so giving
people the ability to create multiple email addresses is not an issue.
For me the issue is that I was able to set up projects with a domain
name, probably only two or three users (one of them me), and hand it
over the user as a coherent whole, where the Google Apps account let
them manage their domain, email, apps and - in some cases - App Engine
apps with a single account.
Knitting together multiple services is fiddly for me, and the result is
messier for my users. What I've come to realise is that the Google
account within the Apps domain was the valuable bit - without that, its
easier to host and deploy elsewhere.
Having said all the above, I recognise that I'm probably not that great
a fit for App Engine, and that this change has just made that clear to
me - my point is merely that this is an unannounced change to the
service, and that for some of us it means that these grandfathered
accounts are no longer useful for new projects.
--
Regards,
PhilK
'a bell is a cup...until it is struck'
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