Ciao Alex, "funny money", you got me curious!
You mentioned a number of success stories, it's good to see them, definitely. I know and user a number of those apps that are built on GAE, Udacity certainly, perhaps also Coursera and Kahn Academy. Again, to me they seem to fit the model "mostly static, little interaction". Although, one of the courses on Udacity, the Parallel Programming one, requires a lot of server interaction, I suspect it talks to AWS. My application gathers a lot of sensor data, and I keep having to go over that data, at a cost, in order to create export files. Lately, I saw a link to a similar project (http://www.nimbits.com/index.jsp). I still need to understand how they organize large time series. We're not talking about large bills, we pay perhaps $70/month for database access. Although that's quite a lot considering less than 50 customers access the database at any given time. It fits into the model of "enterprise app". With 50,000,000 customers probably things would be different, maybe not. If we had deployed 50M devices out there, I would certainly be a lot busier ;-) On Thursday, 26 February 2015 15:24:15 UTC+13, Alex Martelli wrote: > > Ciao Emanuele, > > I'm biased, of course -- but I've found App Engine a life saver for many > web apps that just don't fit the constraints you're so adamant about. Many > of them internal (but we DO get charged internally, albeit in "funny > money", so if it was much cheaper to deploy web apps otherwise we _would_ > be quite aware of it), but a lot of them external, too (usually open-source > apps co-developed with my wife and co-author Anna -- the only woman yet to > win the Frank Willison Memorial Award for Contributions to the Python > community, and very active in all sorts of communities). > > On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:45 PM, Emanuele Ziglioli < > [email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Thank you. >> I think though that every tutorial should start with the question: >> 1. is GAE for you? (if you're gonna deal with large data, likely not, >> cause costs of getting data in and out will kill you) >> > > Depends on your definition of "large data". If at Google scale, unless > you can fruitfully use Google Cloud Storage, BigQuery, and the like, maybe > not -- but if you're not worrying about "many petabytes" (in which case GCS > and BQ can usually be deployed to support your GAE front-end) it's actually > pretty fine. For example, Snapchat -- see > https://gigaom.com/2013/05/07/snapchats-act-of-faith-in-building-on-google-compute-engine/ > > -- is App Engine to the core, and almost two years after they've started > their data volume has grown exponentially to what almost everybody in the > world would consider "large data" (fortunately I didn't look at the exact > numbers so I have no confidential info I'd risk revealing, but I don't > think they're at "many petabytes" yet, whence the "*almost* everybody"). > > > >> 2. do you accept vendor lock-in? Be aware that moving your App off GAE >> will require your time in rewriting large portions of your code (unless you >> use AppScale, but who uses AppScale?) >> > > Their front page highlights the WWF (hardly fitting your categories > either, I think). If you actually *care* about the issue I'd recommend > contacting their marketing at http://www.appscale.com/contact/ -- they > might well be able to share other customer references once you've signed an > NDA. > > >> So I tend to think it suits these cases: >> 1. Throw-away quick prototype code >> 2. Enterprise app with very low traffic, very few users, with a certain >> budget per month >> 3. Consumer apps with zero or near zero server interaction >> > > Which of these categories would, for example, Snapchat fit in...? Or, say > -- Best Buy, Coca Cola, Evite, Khan Academy, Pulse, O'Reilly's "Safari > Books Online", Sony Music, Udacity...?! (If you need many more customer > references, then contact *our* marketing -- again, more info may be > privately available to you with an NDA &c -- assuming you're *serious* > about this!-). > > > Alex > > > > >> >> On Monday, 23 February 2015 05:59:08 UTC+13, Maciej Arkit wrote: >>> >>> Detailed article and video which will help to save your time during your >>> first steps with GAE (Java): >>> >>> *Blog:* >>> http://startup-with-gae.blogspot.com/2014/11/how-to- >>> start-developing-google-app.html >>> *Video:* >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRVJdOPiVoo >>> >>> regards, >>> Maciej >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Google App Engine" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected] <javascript:>. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >> <javascript:>. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-appengine. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/99ff15cd-18e1-4848-bb9b-c0c4c606d88c%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/google-appengine/99ff15cd-18e1-4848-bb9b-c0c4c606d88c%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google App Engine" group. 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