Also, no deliverability measurements and very little control over the From/Sender fields.
Jeff On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:46 PM, 'Alex Martelli' via Google App Engine < [email protected]> wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Luna Duclos < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> What's wrong with GAE's own email API that it should be ignored ? >> > > Very small quotas for an application that hinges about sending a *lot* of > emails. > > > Alex > > >> >> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 6:48 PM, Jeff Schnitzer <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> (someone else revived this thread; I noticed an issue in this old >>> response, figured it is worth correcting for posterity) >>> >>> You can (and should) use Sendgrid, Elasticemail, Mailgun, etc from _App >>> Engine_ to send mail. You don't need Compute Engine for that. Yes, GAE has >>> the mail api but you can (and should) ignore that. All these services have >>> simple HTTP APIs that work just fine from GAE. >>> >>> They actually work extra well from GAE, because instead of making the >>> HTTP request inline in your code, you can enqueue a task (usually >>> transactionally) which makes the call. Your app will be significantly more >>> reliable this way and your user-facing API requests will complete faster. >>> Win-win. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:20 PM, 'Alex Martelli' via Google App Engine < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Nick's answer is correct, but one further bit that's key to *app >>>> engine* use (as per the group's subject and Torsten's original post), is >>>> *mail quotas* -- see >>>> https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/quotas#up_mail_quota (TL;DR: >>>> over 20k mails/day is considered exceptional enough to need you to get a >>>> support package to request the quota increase -- 400k subscribers might >>>> easily require *much* higher quotas, presumably well over the design limits >>>> of App Engine's mail system, depending on usage patterns). >>>> >>>> Compute Engine, plus Sendgrid or the like for the actual mail-sending, >>>> would therefore appear to be a better match for such a large-customer-base >>>> mailing system. >>>> >>>> >>>> Alex >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Nick (Cloud Platform Support) < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hey Torsten, >>>>> >>>>> In terms of running a mail-server, you can read about this in the docs >>>>> <https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/tutorials/sending-mail>. >>>>> Generally, running a mail-server is difficult due to specially-blocked >>>>> ports, but you can still send email on 465 and 587 using services like >>>>> Sendgrid <https://sendgrid.com/>. >>>>> >>>>> As far as the other components of your service, I'd take a look at Cloud >>>>> SQL <https://cloud.google.com/sql/docs/introduction> or hosting a Compute >>>>> Engine >>>>> <https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CDoQFjAAahUKEwjM1ajdm5LGAhXOiQ0KHTOiAFU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fcloud.google.com%2Fcompute%2F&ei=WQp_VYzFFs6TNrPEgqgF&usg=AFQjCNH27eYDEWHVohumR3ceFAqU09G7eQ&bvm=bv.95515949,d.eXY> >>>>> instance with mysqld running for the data storage. >>>>> >>>>> Now, as to the framework itself, if you stick to vanilla App Engine >>>>> (Java/Python/PHP/Go), you're limited by the App Engine sandbox >>>>> <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/whatisgoogleappengine> in >>>>> terms of what can run inside your instances. There are efforts out there >>>>> in >>>>> the Yii community [1] <https://github.com/yiisoft/yii2/issues/953> [2] >>>>> <https://github.com/poul-kg/yii-app-engine> did a quick google >>>>> search) to h - you could even find moreave the framework run on vanilla >>>>> App >>>>> Engine. >>>>> >>>>> There's also the possibility of running Managed VMs >>>>> <https://cloud.google.com/appengine/docs/managed-vms/>, which are >>>>> like App Engine in how they scale and deploy, can be monitored, etc. but >>>>> have a more permissive sandbox that allows you to install pretty much any >>>>> web framework/stack you like (although you'd still want to externalize the >>>>> SQL db, as instances spin up and down, and it's not a good way to run a >>>>> persistent db process) >>>>> >>>>> As far as evaluating the pricing of any system you'd like to deploy, I >>>>> recommend taking a look at your needs/current usage and comparing that to >>>>> the pricing docs <https://cloud.google.com/pricing/> (there's even a very >>>>> cool pricing calculator >>>>> <https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/>). >>>>> >>>>> I wish you the best of luck in determining where to go from here, and >>>>> I hope further google searches can turn up this thread as a useful >>>>> resource >>>>> :) >>>>> >>>>> Have a nice day, >>>>> >>>>> Nick >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 8:05:26 PM UTC-4, Torsten Daerr wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dear GAE support community, I have a customer built email newsletter >>>>>> management system built in Yii Framework. I would like to have the entire >>>>>> system rebuilt in Google App Engine. Can you please tell me if this is >>>>>> possible in general? The MySQL database behind the newsletter system has >>>>>> close to 400k subscribers right now so I send out up to 1 million emails >>>>>> per month. 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