Nobody who sends email at volume will spend a penny per email. For 1MM messages per month that would be $10k. At Sendgrid that’s $500.
It’s trivial to enqueue a task that sends an email to any of the hundred other commodity email services on the internet, most of which give you deliverability reporting and fancy graphs and custom IP addresses and whatnot. They run on razor-thin margins and more companies are getting out of the business than into it (eg Mandrill, Messagebus). It would be a massive waste of engineering. Jeff On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 6:56 AM, Joshua Smith <mrjoshuaesm...@gmail.com> wrote: > The existing mail API makes sense for things like “ereporter” that > automatically sends the administrator a daily email summarizing unhandled > exceptions. > > It also works fine for low-volume cases, like password authentication for > apps that only get a dozen or so new users a day. > > It’s quite absurd that google doesn’t offer a high-volume email service, > but that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t at least offer a low-volume one. > > And yes, billing a penny, or even a few cents, for every outbound email is > an obvious solution to the spam concern. I have no idea why they don’t just > do that. It’d probably take them like 10 minutes to implement. > > -Joshua > > On Mar 31, 2017, at 5:44 AM, Bookingforce CTO <c...@bookingforce.io> wrote: > > Hello there, > > being CTO of a company that is betting on Google Infrastructure when I > found out about the limitation to 100 recipients, at first I thought "ah, I > have to increase that quota", then, after asking (twice) to support team, I > felt like "what's wrong with GAE ?" > > The only fact that more than 100 emails is referred as "high volume" is > almost disturbing... we are using GAE to build cloud applications that > scale up using multiple instances but still we can't contact our customers > via email if they are more than 100 ? If you want to prevent spam, bill > each email, we may be willing to pay as much as we pay for other services. > > If you just don't want to offer a serious service about email, you should > think to discontinue the Mail API, like this it makes no sense. > > Cheers, > Luca > > On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:49:05 PM UTC+2, Nick (Cloud Platform > Support) wrote: >> >> The Public Issue Tracker thread brought our attention has gotten tracked >> now, thanks to PK. We'll update it with any progress. >> >> Now, as much as I'm sure we all appreciate Jeff's kind offer, I don't >> think it will be necessary to pay him $1000, since Cloud Platform Community >> Support are here to do a similar job at no cost. As said in other threads >> on this topic, if anybody at any time has issues migrating from any service >> to any other, has questions about design patterns, has questions about the >> use of our APIs or how to refactor their code, etc., this forum is the >> perfect place for such higher-level discussion and we would be happy to >> discuss in depth. >> >> We never want users to feel left alone, and asking a question once has >> the benefit that all other users in a similar situation can read and learn >> from the thread. This doesn't fit under the umbrella of "platform issues / >> feature requests" (Public Issue Tracker) or "a specific error / stack >> trace" (Stack Overflow), so it would be fine to post such threads in this >> forum. >> >> As an additional, final comment, I'll say that we do pay close attention >> to the requests for services / service improvements that users bring >> forward, whether here or in the Public Issue Tracker. We've taken the >> feedback from many users on the Mail API and bulk sending and while we >> don't promise any concrete action given this feedback, know that we have >> taken it into account and we want to thank you for bringing up how you view >> things, what you'd like to see, etc. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Nick >> Cloud Platform Community Support >> >> On Tuesday, October 18, 2016 at 10:42:26 PM UTC-4, Jeff Schnitzer wrote: >>> >>> Since this thread keeps coming up… I’ll make you all an offer: For $1k >>> I’ll migrate your GAE app to Sendgrid, Mailgun, or whatever other email >>> service you want. Assuming your code isn’t spaghetti, it will probably take >>> me an hour. It should take you about the same or less. >>> >>> This is sooo much kvetching about something that is so trivial to fix. >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 9:27 AM, PK <p...@gae123.com> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 for Joshua’s comment. >>>> >>>> Nick, wrt "We always encourage users to make use of the Public Issue >>>> Tracker “ the issue is issue 10560 >>>> <https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/detail?id=10560> stuck >>>> in state “New” for 2.5 years like 100s maybe thousands other issues in the >>>> public tracker. >>>> >>>> PK >>>> p...@gae123.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Joshua Smith <mrjoshu...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Nick, >>>> >>>> I know you are stuck in the apologist position, and there’s nothing you >>>> can do about it, but come on… >>>> >>>> It is positively absurd that GAE doesn’t include any bulk email >>>> capability. If you guys are concerned about spammers abusing the service, >>>> just charge a penny per email sent or something. >>>> >>>> If it’s because google can’t figure out how to provide a reliable email >>>> service, maybe call the team over at gmail, I hear they have some >>>> experience in this area. >>>> >>>> You will never convince GAE users that having to use a third-party to >>>> send email is anything but a pathetic hack. >>>> >>>> -Joshua >>>> >>>> On Oct 18, 2016, at 10:55 AM, 'Nick (Cloud Platform Support)' via >>>> Google App Engine <google-a...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey PK and Kaan, >>>> >>>> I hear your concerns. I hope that I can moderate worries by saying the >>>> following in regard to each of the points you brought up: >>>> >>>> *1. Avoid paying for attachment bits through front-end* >>>> >>>> While the GCS integration to Mail API attachments will be discussed in >>>> the next point, there's another GCS solution here which is very useful. You >>>> can generate URLs to the attachment objects and merely embed these URLs in >>>> the email. This ultimately has the same transfer cost for the user's >>>> machine as downloading from a mail server storing the attachment, but is >>>> slightly different since you can recall the object at a later date. >>>> >>>> *2. Feature requests for GCS integration to Mail API* >>>> >>>> We always encourage users to make use of the Public Issue Tracker >>>> <https://code.google.com/p/googleappengine/issues/list> to make any >>>> feature requests that they think of. We track them and consider them, and >>>> this is the best way to ensure that we know about it in a formal manner >>>> rather than just posting in a discussion thread. We look forward to all >>>> feature requests because it means users are working on the platform and >>>> >>>> >>>> *3. Platform Unity* >>>> We definitely recognize that the power of the platform comes from its >>>> unity and internal organization. The various services combine to create an >>>> ecosystem where development can rapidly integrate many capabilities to >>>> produce powerful apps. Because we understand that developers depend on the >>>> services for app performance, we offer a minimum 1 year announcement before >>>> deprecation, as you can read in the Cloud Platform Terms of Service >>>> <https://cloud.google.com/terms/>. >>>> >>>> We also do our best during any deprecation period to provide support >>>> and migration advice to developers. Community Support is a resource for you >>>> developers, so please don't hesitate to ask us any questions or open >>>> discussions of architecture, design, etc. We can't prevent the web or our >>>> services from changing over time, as all things must, but we can do our >>>> best to provide comprehensive support for users during these changes. >>>> >>>> For the moment, everything said above and elsewhere about the Mail API >>>> and Sendgrid remains good advice. Sendgrid is simply far better suited to >>>> bulk messages, while the Mail API can be used effectively for >>>> administrative emails such as a password reset system, etc. >>>> >>>> As always, let us know your thoughts or if you have any further >>>> questions! We'll be happy to help. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Nick >>>> Cloud Platform Community Support >>>> >>>> On Monday, October 17, 2016 at 6:39:17 PM UTC-4, Kaan Soral wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good thing we are locked-in for life to App Engine. 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