On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 8:54 PM, fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> Its a bit hidden - which makes me even more suspicious.  You ave to
> goto the standard api terms page:
> http://code.google.com/apis/maps/terms.html
>
> Then in the top corner use the Google Terms of Service - which takes
> you to: http://www.google.com/accounts/TOS
>
>
> And its data that you "submit, post or display on or through, the
> Services" - so that definitely includes anything you add on it - even
> if its client side points and lines (though it could be harder for
> google to get it)
>

I know where they were, but couldnt track down that specific wording,
but yes do see it now. Pretty sure it's also changed since I last read
it.
The main TOU does ackeledge that its possibl for specific ToUs revoke
the rights, which I guess might need to happen with the Maps API tou.


>
> <<Its not quite as 'far reaching' as that. A point plotted on their
> map
> (particully with the OpenSpace API) they may consider derived
> information, not every point displayed.
>>>
> The OS definitely conside any data that is even checked against their
> maps is derived.  The only totally clean way is to use GPS data that
> is not plotted on and potentially checked against OS data.

Again this is not true. To clarify I work with a project (link in sig)
that collects photos of the British Isles, these are submitted by
users, and specifically plotted ON an OS map, these are photos are
then released under a Creative Commons Licence. The OS have no claim
over the derived positions in their own right.



There is a bit more about it here:
http://blog.dixo.net/2006/10/23/geograph-creative-commons-and-ordnance-survey-revisited/

The thorny issue is the OpenSpace API which again has a very
restrictive ToU, and does claim rights over data though their service
- but it doesnt apply universially to OS maps.
http://openspace.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/openspace/faq.html

>
> This will have signifcant implications for many organisations in the
> UK who are considering using google maps

If you want to be sure, there is always Google Maps API Premier which
might have addional terms.

> - the vast majority of data
> in the UK is OS derived in some shape or form.  I'm not suggesting the
> OS stance is reasonable - but it is one thye have held for a long
> time.

by FUD ;)

>
> But there again I don't think googles terms are very reasonable either
> for an organisation that generally likes to be considered the "good
> guys" - I just hope that they can move as swiftly with thsi as they
> did with Chrome
>
> >
>



-- 
Barry

- www.nearby.org.uk - www.geograph.org.uk -

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