On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Stephen Haberman <[email protected]
> wrote:

> > For me it would be totally fine to have a plugin for FF15 and then
>
> for FF20 and the next for FF25 which would reduce your maintaining
> > work. Same for Chrome.
>
> I hold off on updating FF as well, but I believe a lot of users got
> antsy about "oh noes! the latest FF isn't supported, GWT is deadz!"
> before Brian got on top of the FF plugin process.


FF clearly wants to get rid of all binary plugins, yet they also have no
interest in exposing the sort of hooks we would need to use pure-JS
plugins.  Chrome has some issues, but with the fork of WebKit, perhaps the
identity and performance issues can be addressed -- at least part of the
reluctance about doing anything more came from the convoluted path from JS
code to V8.

I know it takes a lot of effort to keep the FF plugins up to date (I did it
for a while myself), but I think that cost is less than the cost of losing
a usable DevMode.


> Totally agreed. I think that should be our goal--getting to GWT to the
> point where it can integrate sexily with today's/tomorrow's web
> developer tool chain (JS debuggers, etc.).
>

I think the problem is that the technology to make SuperDevMode even close
to as useful as debugging in the JVM doesn't exist yet, and it's not clear
when it will exist.  I have no problem working towards that goal, but in
the meantime you can't be talking about ditching what works great now.  SDM
is nice, but it still feels like the limited experience of debugging a JS
app rather than having the tools available for debugging in the JVM.

-- 
John A. Tamplin

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