Hi, I've been reading the articles on MVP recently, specifically the
articles here:

http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architecture.html
http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architecture-2.html

I've primarily worked with MVC in the past so this is my first
exposure to MVP (I've of course heard about it before but never really
cared to learn about it in depth).

Here's a few things that I wanted to comment on to perhaps help me
understand this all better.

1.  Everyone does MVC slightly differently, but I've always treated
the model as more than a simple data object.  In MVC, I've always
designed it so that it's the model's responsibility to do RPC calls -
not the controller.

In MVP, I noticed you suggest to put this logic in the presenter.  It
seems a little strange to me.  What if you want multiple views to
essentially be an observer of the same model (I know I'm speaking in
MVC terms but you get the idea).  You would have multiple presenters
and one of them would arbitrarily have the RPC logic to initialize the
model?  I know in practice there's very few times in which you
actually need to have multiple views for the same model - so I'm OK
with this decision.  Just an observation...

2. If the model is simply a DTO as you suggest, why is it a poor
design decision to let the view know about this model?  DTO's are
simple POJOs with no logic.  True, the view will become arguably a
little smarter.  But from a maintainability standpoint I don't see why
simply moving this to a third party class, ColumnDefinition, would
make it easier to maintain.  Whenever more abstraction is added, the
code is typically much more complicated, difficult to read and
understand the flow, etc.  When I look at that ContactsViewImpl with
all the generics everywhere, I cringe a little bit.  Honestly, I don't
have much experience with unit testing UI.  So maybe in a few
sentences can you explain why having the view have a dependency on the
model (a simple pojo) will make testing more difficult?

3.  My final comment is about sinking the events.  The article states:

"Reduce the event overhead by sinking events on the HTML widget,
rather than the individual cells."

In the code, I was expecting to see a single DOM.sinkEvents... but
instead it looks like each individual cell sinks events:

for row
  for col
       // TODO: Really total hack! There's gotta be a better way...
        Element child = cell.getFirstChildElement();
        if (child != null) {
          Event.sinkEvents(child, Event.ONFOCUS | Event.ONBLUR);
        }

Is this a mistake?  Or by "sinking events on the widget" you mean
sinking several events on a single widget is better than sinking
events on several widgets?

Thanks!

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