Guit is a low level, general purpose framework, thats why it will never have validation or data bindings. For validation you can wait to gwt 2.1, or look into trunk, there is some work on a jrs-303 generator. Gwt 2.1 also have some work on bean binding, but I have only used the new cell widgets... should take a look at the data binding stuff
2010/9/10 notcourage <[email protected]> > Thx for your contributions & this lively exchange. > > Am I the only one surprised that it is almost 2011 yet GWT doesn't > have input validation & data binding? (I'm going to study SmartGWT > shortly.) Does guit or gwt-platform? How will google's upcoming mvp > framework impact yours? > > On Aug 24, 10:36 am, Gal Dolber <[email protected]> wrote: > > That would be great! more people we get into gwt better :D > > > > Yes, I have tried apt a bit, but a couldn't get it working. I need to > give > > it another change with more time > > > > 2010/8/24 Christian Goudreau <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > Well in that case, what do you think about Eclipse APT ? > > > > > As for the first comment about MVP, I'm not really breaking it, only > > > extending it and it's also something that you can find here: > > > > >http://code.google.com/intl/fr-FR/webtoolkit/articles/mvp-architectur. > .. > > > > > I'm not going any further than what's done here. > > > > > I'll look forward to those changes, you really got something great and > > > hopefully Gwt-Platform and Guit will grow over this :D > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 1:19 PM, Gal Dolber <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > >> I consider myself a pure mvp developer. But no without a reason... > > >> Every time that I said... "I will break to pattern here, it will get > > >> simpler.." I end up with shitty implementations.. and when I go back a > > >> re-write them with mvp.. *WHOALA!*, the code gets simpler and finally > > >> makes sense. > > >> So I decided to stop trying to break the pattern and find a way to > > >> simplify it. Thats Guit. > > > > >> The $ convention is all over the place :) ... using generated setters > > >> solve to problem of maintaining the view, and it gets really easy to > write > > >> "view.button$setText("Do not click!");" in your presenter and let > eclipse > > >> create the method for you... > > > > >> Anyway, I am planning to solve the type-safe problem with a plugin for > > >> eclipse. > > >> I already wrote a validation plugin for EventBusHandlers and > > >> ViewHandlers... > > > > >> @ViewHandler > > >> public void button$click() { // If the view doesn't have a "button" > field > > >> it gives if an alert > > >> } > > > > >> But the validation plugin worked with the old version of the > framework, > > >> any time soon I will update it to work with the current one, and also > add > > >> validation for GuitView setters. > > > > >> The plugin also have wizard for: Event/Handler, > Action/Response/Handler > > >> and Presenter/View/ViewUiBinder/GinModule. I will release it as soon > as > > >> possible...I am missing it myself.. still Guit error messages are > great, but > > >> you need to Refresh the browser, Re-Run your test or compile to get > them... > > > > >> 2010/8/24 Christian Goudreau <[email protected]> > > > > >>> What a shame, I didn't read everything... Just saw your example, I > really > > >>> don't like that naming convention of yours :D I would prefer > something more > > >>> type safe that doesn't involve long named fonctions separated with $ > to > > >>> access something. > > > > >>> Cheers, > > > > >>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Christian Goudreau < > > >>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > > >>>> I believe is good to have 2 frameworks instead of one... competition > > >>>>> leads to great things.. > > > > >>>> I agree with that point :D > > > > >>>> I will love to hear your opinion on this: > > >>>>>http://code.google.com/p/guit/wiki/GuitViewDesign > > > > >>>> Already took a loot, well first note, I'm not a conventional MVP > user > > >>>> and don't take my arguments as if I wanted to be one :D I'm more a > MVP part > > >>>> 2 like explained in the GWT page. Since you've done a good job to > automate > > >>>> the event process between the view and the presenter, what will > follow will > > >>>> probably not apply to your framework. No need for your binder class > if you > > >>>> do MVP part 2 :D No custom annotation needed too and also no need to > learn > > >>>> anything but what GWT already offer in that case. > > > > >>>> I think that when GWT introduced UiBinder, the already gave us a > passive > > >>>> view that does nothing rendering our implementation of the MVP > pattern a > > >>>> little bit more complexe since we had to pass everything from > another > > >>>> passive view to the presenter. That's why, I'm giving a little more > work to > > >>>> my "views" that apply to simple local task that isn't relevant to > the > > >>>> presenter, thus simplifying my code and making it more easy to > understand > > >>>> and more easy to read. Yes I have to test it, but I have simple test > to > > >>>> write that I would have wrote inside my presenters anyway. Now I > have a > > >>>> clear distinction between what's relevant to my app and what's > relevant only > > >>>> to my view. You may disagree with me, but I ripped around 15 % lines > of code > > >>>> in my apps by doing this. > > > > >>>> What's your going to do will disallow that, while not being a bad > thing > > >>>> if you really have two passive view (view and view.ui.xml), but > wouldn't be > > >>>> enough for that pattern that I now love :D > > > > >>>> Then another big question, how this will work with UiBinder for > custom > > >>>> widgets that you'll make ? Yeah well, I think we fall back to old > ways > > >>>> without any presenter associated. > > > > >>>> Anyway, I'm more a doer than a thinker, so I'll let anyone else > > >>>> elaborate on the subject :D (Philippe Beaudoin is the brain behind > > >>>> Gwt-Platform :D) > > > > >>>> Cheers, > > > > >>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Gal Dolber <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > >>>>> Hi Christian! > > > > >>>>> I will love to join forces to have one great framework, but the > truth > > >>>>> is that Guit started a year ago as the infrastructure for a project > I am > > >>>>> about to finish right now. The funny part is that I also started > looking at > > >>>>> the code of gwt-presenter and mvp4g. > > > > >>>>> I believe is good to have 2 frameworks instead of one... > competition > > >>>>> leads to great things.. > > > > >>>>> Now, about the Async places, if you annotate the Presenter's Place > with > > >>>>> RunAsync your place automatically gets splitted ( > > >>>>>http://code.google.com/p/guit/wiki/PlaceManager, at the bottom). > > > > >>>>> Also, one important thing about Guit is that all that generated > code > > >>>>> that it produces is the same that you will hand-write without it. > > >>>>> You can see that looking at the generated code... you will only > find > > >>>>> event registrations and a few field bindings, but you will never > feel like > > >>>>> loosing control over your code. > > > > >>>>> I will love to hear your opinion on this: > > >>>>>http://code.google.com/p/guit/wiki/GuitViewDesign > > >>>>> That's the craziest change in my mvp implementation so far, and I > > >>>>> loving it. I am looking for down-sides and extra requirements that > I didn't > > >>>>> think of yet. > > > > >>>>> Cheers! > > > > >>>>> 2010/8/24 Christian Goudreau <[email protected]> > > > > >>>>> I saw that you can add an annotation over functions, but over an > entire > > >>>>>> place, I don't know. Also, yeah well you may be generating a lot > of code > > >>>>>> with generators, but I'm afraid that in the end, you'll loose > freedom for > > >>>>>> customization. > > > > >>>>>> I would have loved to join forces into making a great framework > > >>>>>> instead of having different products, but I think each project > have their > > >>>>>> good and bad points, even if we still have to fully compare each > > >>>>>> products.Our devotion to GWT-Platform started with Gwt-Presenter > and we're > > >>>>>> committed to support it and improve it along with our users. Our > commitment > > >>>>>> is to the community and it will always be a priority to improve > our users > > >>>>>> experience with GWT-Platform and GWT. > > > > >>>>>> Anyway, nice job Gal, it's sure saves a lot of boiler plate for > simple > > >>>>>> web pages like our Samples, I'll take a look even more deeper to > see where > > >>>>>> it goes against something more complexe. Until I can speek with > more > > >>>>>> objectivity while talking about Guit, I'll only say two thing: > Open source > > >>>>>> rock and thanks for this comparison. > > > > >>>>>> Cheers, > > > > >>>>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Magno Machado <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > > >>>>>>> I'm already using GWTP in a project, and what I most like on it > is > > >>>>>>> how easy it is to have a presenter loaded asynchronously, this is > done with > > >>>>>>> one line of code. > > > > >>>>>>> How is it done in Guit? > > > > >>>>>>> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 9:42 AM, Gal Dolber < > [email protected]>wrote: > > > > >>>>>>>>http://code.google.com/p/gwtpsamplesinguit/ > > > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>> Guit: Elegant, beautiful, modular and *production ready* gwt > > >>>>>>>> applications. > > > > >>>>>>>>http://code.google.com/p/guit/ > > > > >>>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > >>>>>>>> Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. > > >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > > >>>>>>>> [email protected]. > > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>>>>>>> [email protected]<google-web-toolkit%[email protected]><google-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs > [email protected]> > > >>>>>>>> . > > >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > > >>>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> Magno Machado Paulo > > >>>>>>>http://blog.magnomachado.com.br > > >>>>>>>http://code.google.com/p/emballo/ > > > > >>>>>>> -- > > >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > >>>>>>> Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. > > >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > > >>>>>>> [email protected]. > > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>>>>>> [email protected]<google-web-toolkit%[email protected]><google-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs > [email protected]> > > >>>>>>> . > > >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > > >>>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. > > > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> Christian Goudreau > > >>>>>>www.arcbees.com > > > > >>>>>> -- > > >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>>>>> Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. > > >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to > > >>>>>> [email protected]. > > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>>>>> [email protected]<google-web-toolkit%[email protected]><google-web-toolkit%2Bunsubs > [email protected]> > > >>>>>> . > > >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at > > >>>>>>http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. > > > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> Guit: > > > > ... > > > > read more ยป > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Google Web Toolkit" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]<google-web-toolkit%[email protected]> > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. > > -- Guit: Elegant, beautiful, modular and *production ready* gwt applications. http://code.google.com/p/guit/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. 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