Also, besides Joseph said (it is true in my case), there is a fundamental difference and it is that vaadin, smartGWT, etc uses an architecture where they depend on server side stuff. For example, all vaading Java code runs in the serverside, and the webapp is rendered 100% on the serverside. The widgets depend on this server side for rendering and there is client-server comunication for rendering, layouting, events, etc.
In pure GWT, you are not dependent on a certain serverside technology, you could use php, java container or even no serverside at all. Also, I have found difficult to interoperate between technologies like vaadin and smartGWT with 3rd party JavaScript widgets, or even with "normal GWT ". Regards On Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:38:30 AM UTC-2, Alfredo Quiroga-Villamil wrote: > > I've seen in the past many comments and different opinions about > Vaadin, GXT, SmartGWT and "GWT-only" apps. I think the fundamental > thing to remember here is resources. > > If you work for a company where you can afford to have the designer/s, > a CSS savy person/s and the time to build and enhance more than > anything pure GWT widgets then by all means go with the GWT only > approach. Do that also if you know the app is being built and will be > there to stay for a loooooonnnng time. > > However, in many cases we all seem to think that those frameworks > only provide cosmetic things and they really don't. They actually > provide a whole lot more than just style. Not all "GWT-only" widgets, > but many actually need a lot of work in both how they look as well as > how they are used programmatically. > > Not too long ago I set out to build a pure GWT app (one man app only > and being built by someone, me in this case that have been building > GWT for quite some time) and I was the one that almost jumped off the > building in this case. I found myself, styling things, some of the > widgets needed a lot of extra boiler plate (take Cell Table for > instance), just to do basic stuff that using some of the other > frameworks mentioned would just be one or a few lines of code. > > So if you have to make a decision, think about one thing and one thing > only. Do you truly have the resources/time, both design and coding > wise to enhance the existing GWT widgets? The answer to that will > likely tell you what to use and it's likely the reason why those > companies are such "value-add" to the existing GWT code base. > > As far as performance goes, unless you are building an App for > something extremely, and I emphasize extremely demanding, there is > little to none chance that using GXT, Vaadin or SmartGWT will have an > actual impact on your app. > > Alfredo > > On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Joseph Lust > <[email protected]<javascript:>> > wrote: > > Folks in my company were just asking me this the other day. If you want > an > > app that looks like the GXT or SmartGWT showcase, and absolutely nothing > > more, then use them. But you'll have to bend to their paradigms and > extend > > their frameworks if you want more than they do. Further, these > frameworks > > are heavy weight, so doing just what you need in GWT will be much faster > > performance wise. This is why we stick with pure GWT on my team and why > > another dev team in our company wanted to jump off a cliff after > building a > > 400 screen app in GXT. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > Joseph > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > "Google Web Toolkit" group. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > > https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/yKJ3UnRqsMMJ. > > To post to this group, send email to > > [email protected]<javascript:>. > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > [email protected] <javascript:>. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. > > > > -- > Alfredo Quiroga-Villamil > > AOL/Yahoo/Gmail/MSN IM: lawwton > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Google Web Toolkit" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/cwQkn1O8OgcJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
