Tim Chien <[email protected]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','[email protected]');>> 於 2014年2月15日星期六寫道：
> Hi Irvin, > > On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 5:20 AM, Irvin Chen <[email protected]> wrote: > > "This sounds similar to the feature we heard about in the Firefox in > China > > thread, it seems interesting." -- Majken Connor > > > > On the recent discussions about Directory Tiles on the new tab page, I > saw > > above comment from Majken. > > Yes, believe it or not, We already have been doing that -- putting > > sponsored tile on new tab -- in 'Firefox for China'[1] for years. > > > > Here is a screen shot of the default New Tab > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/irvin/12525148734/ > > > > And the second page of the New Tab > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/irvin/12524776123/ > > > > There are links to 2 internet portal sites, 1 SNS and 4 online malls in > the > > first page of default New Tab, and numberless links to 4 categories of > > sites (big site, news, shopping, entertainment) at second page. > > > > AFAIK, yes, this is what's being done in China. But I think we > shouldn't make a judgement before our colleagues in Beijing giving out > the actual detail. > > (Or, alternatively, we should ask for a better practice where details > are given before the product) > > > I believe many of those tiles were add with some kinds of business > > development affiliates, but there is no visual info on which is > sponsored. > > > > "There are no any public audit and metrics for those tiles selection, nor > > privacy statement indicate that we won't send data to commercial > partners." > > Comment by a community member who'd like to remain anonymous, I > suspicious > > that we might be doing that also. [2] > > I wish the "anonymous community member" could join the discussion by > herself/himself. Mozilla shouldn't be an organization in which people > are afraid of speaking up for their own ideas. Sometimes there would need a people who 'play bad Mozillian' , and I (althought not enjoyable) can play that if needed :) > > As for the statement itself, again, I don't want to speculate, > especially on tracking/privacy. > > > And I believe it's the time to re-check these kinds of "regional > customized > > feature", with the same standard we have got for Directory Tiles. Because > > we believe the users across different markets worth to be treating with > > same Mozilla's value, whether inside the wall or not. > > > > I think there is one important bias we need to get rid of before > having a constructive discussion: Experiments/businesses/etc in China > are not intuitively bad just because they are in China. > > The sponsored tiles in Firefox China Edition can be only as good/bad > as the Sponsored Tiles, *if* they are being done in the same process > and principle. I see people in this mailing list talking about > mission/value/privacy, and I believe colleagues in China (or Taiwan) > can deliver products that reflect the same Mozilla statement in the > market, if they/we are not already doing so. > > (obviously there were some tracking issues, or even "do some evil" > incident being discovered, but they are all being improved upon, > right?) Yes I believe that it's been (partially?) fixed. The "do some evil" things had been fixed immediately, and the user tracking issue on the ui and in the default new tab, now had an option to opt-out (after some discussion/argue last spring we (MozTW) had with MoCo-TW. But there are issues such as we still gather the UUID for user who are not opt-out. I understand that the experiment and feature we'd done for China version is for mozilla and user's good, some on monetary side or some on product competitive side. I can't agree you more on 'doing feature on the same process/principle', especially discussion 'in opening' and 'with community participate' for me. This can ensure the trust, just what we'd state out in the Mission. > > > > 而且所有市場的所有使用者值得被同樣的標準對待 > > I wonder if this sentence left untranslated? It says "All [Firefox] > users, in every market, deserve the same treatment and the same > standard [upholding the mission]". I cannot agree this more. I think > this statement does not only cover user in China, but also mobile > users we reached with FxOS and Firefox for Android. It's just an line slipped out from by draft, but it does means something, right ;) > > Mozilla is an unique organization where we ship products to make a > statement in the market. I don't expect that to change. IMHO that's > one thing makes Mozilla deserved to be around for 100 years, shaping > the Web in it's infancy, as the Web will be shaping humanity for at > least 500 years onward, just like the printing press did/do (kudos to > Håkon Wium Lie for the printing press analogy). > > Disclosure and disclaimer: I work under Li (Head of Asia Operations) > and he leads the China office too. Opinions are my own. > > -- > Tim Guan-tin Chien, Engineering Manager and Front-end Lead, Firefox > OS, Mozilla Corp. (Taiwan) > -- @ irvinfly: community liaison moztw.org Mozilla Taiwan community _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
