Responding here because bkerensa mentioned me - though I'll note that I'm pretty sure rkent knows where I am on this.
I'm really not sure what's holding us back from publishing this data. I'm not sure who's desk the buck needs to stop at for this. I'd hate to bother Mitchell, Chris or Andreas with this, but if nobody up to them has the authority to either approve or deny permission to publish the data, then it has to be one of them, I think. -Mike On Monday, August 18, 2014 4:38:42 PM UTC-4, Kent James wrote: > I have been trying on and off for the last two years to get Thunderbird > > usage data available to the current volunteer-driven Thunderbird core > > team, and to get permission to publish that data either on private > > blogs, or on the official Thunderbird blog. There seems to be universal > > support for this within the Thunderbird community, but the only people > > who seem to have access to the data are former staff members of the now > > defunct Mozilla Messaging effort. > > > > We have a story that we would like to tell, of increasing usage of > > Thunderbird over the last few years in spite of media reports that > > "Thunderbird is dead", and yet nobody seems to be able to figure out who > > has the permission to let us tell that story. > > > > I only know the data exists because I occasionally get emails from > > former Mozilla Messaging staff with the data and associated graphs, but > > because they do not have permission to share it, the emails are always > > sent with "here it is, but please do not share this publically." > > > > How do we get 1) current core team members on the list of people > > receiving these usage emails, and 2) permission to publicly release this > > data? > > > > I sometimes get these answers: > > > > 1) Ask the current Module owners (who are Mozilla staff). Done that, > > they not able to make progress, and they are not the people driving the > > effort. They don't know either who can give permission. > > > > 2) The data is available anyway on crash stats, so what is the big deal? > > The big deal is that there are nice graphs that are generated somewhere > > in Mozilla that are perfect for our blog posts, that show data growth > > over the last five years. Crash stats only seems to have a few months of > > data available. It is the history that tells the story. Seems a pity to > > reproduce these graphs manually when they already exist. > > > > See > > http://mesquilla.com/2014/07/31/thunderbirds-future-the-tldr-version/ > > for some perspective. > > > > So, how do we get this done? > > > > :rkent > > Mailnews Peer and Thunderbird Hacker _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
