Oops, I meant to leave this on Governance as well. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Reynolds <[email protected]> Date: Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [mozillians] Words from a Mozillian To: Majken Connor <[email protected]>, Robert Kaiser <[email protected]> Cc: Mozillians <[email protected]>
Here is the recap of ReMo Camp https://blog.mozilla.org/mozillareps/2014/09/30/remo- camp-2014-impact-through-action/ Air Mozilla archives https://air.mozilla.org/mozilla-reps-camp-2014-day-1/ https://air.mozilla.org/mozilla-reps-camp-2014-day-2/ On 10/2/14, 7:44 AM, Majken Connor wrote: > No one has said it yet, but several of these concerns were actually > discussed at the recent ReMo Camp in Berlin. These sessions were available > for streaming but I am not sure a written recap has been made available > yet. It would be worthwhile knowing if the people who are upset (not just > the ones who sent this email) got a chance to see these sessions and are > still unhappy, or if they are unaware that attempts are being made to > address these problems. > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Robert Kaiser <[email protected]> wrote: > > [taking this off most stuff and limiting to two somewhat applicable lists] >> >> Dicky Moe schrieb: >> >> we, who do not wish to be identified >>> >>> As others have said, if you want openness, then be bold and show >> openness >> yourself. We will not be making things more open by hiding ourselves. >> >> >> [1]Selection process for MozFest >> >>> [...] >>> [2]MozCamp Beta India >>> [...] >>> [3]Budget requests >>> [...] >>> [4]Localization project >>> [...] due to budget issues for the L10N team[...] >>> [6] Leadership change >>> [...]Agreed that this is good[...] >>> [7]Cancelling Grow Tunisia >>> [...] >>> >>> So, all you are complaining about is things where you disagree with how >> money is being spent, and in one case you complain about a change you >> think >> was right? Now, I don't understand the latter at all, and don't have any >> knowledge about the story behind it. >> But the rest sounds like you think that community members are entitled to >> being paid for events and activities, which I heavily disagree with. I >> remember the early times of the Mozilla community, where I was happy to >> pay >> out of my own pocket for travel and a hotel just to be able to meet other >> Mozillians. And it was awesome. >> Nobody is entitled to get paid for anything in a project they volunteer >> for. After all, the definition of volunteering is completely distinct from >> being paid for doing something. >> Many of us want to meet up more often and be at more events with fellow >> Mozillians, I understand that. I even was pretty much "uninvited" from an >> event at some point due to project-political reasons and I remember how >> devastated I was. I still realized that if I would have been invited, it >> would have been a gift, and you don't shout at people and demand things >> from them just because you do not get a gift. You are not entitled to >> gifts, you should cheer for the few cases where you actually get any. >> Mozilla (that is us all in the community) has a lot of challenges and >> overwhelming competition and compared to those companies we are competing >> with, the non-profit organization that is Mozilla has a very tiny budget. >> I'm all for strengthening the community and recognizing volunteers as >> that's where we make the real difference to those commercial companies. >> But >> realize that we have a community that is larger than the amount of people >> we can *buy* gifts for and who we can invite to events on budget of the >> organization. And we want to grow this community even more, so getting >> something that needs money to pay for will be even more uncommon in the >> future as the budget doesn't magically grow as much as the community >> should. >> If we want Mozilla and its values to succeed, we need to be willing to >> spend way more value in time and work into it than we get back in gifts, >> budgets and paid-for event invitations. >> Also note that there's people who work their behinds off and try to do >> their best to make those things that the organizations spends as fair as >> possible - even though they surely make mistakes at times as well, just as >> every human does, and even that is OK. Virtually shouting at them and >> demanding things does not make those people more eager to work with you, >> the frustration it builds up might actually have the opposite effect - >> just >> put yourself into their position for a moment and think about that. >> >> And let's please keep the dialog, open, civil, and in the proper paths to >> get to the best possible outcome and the least frustration for everyone. >> >> KaiRo >> _______________________________________________ >> mozillians mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians >> >> _______________________________________________ > mozillians mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/mozillians > _______________________________________________ governance mailing list [email protected] https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/governance
