On 2015-06-09 02:41, [email protected] wrote:
After that discussion, Pocket updated their privacy policy in early
May to explain more precisely how they handle data. You can read
Pocket's privacy policy here: https://getpocket.com/privacy.
From the Pocket ToS: “[...] our Privacy Policy is not a legal agreement,
and creates no contractual obligations [...]” [0]
[0] https://getpocket.com/tos
And given that you're referring to the privacy policy: “In the event
that we or certain of our assets are acquired, user information may be
included among the transferred assets.” [1]
[1] https://getpocket.com/privacy
On 2015-06-09 09:03, Gervase Markham wrote:
Right. And the first argument is strange because this is not the first
time we've done this. Most of the bundled search engines, safe browsing
and (until recently) our location service are/were all commercial
third-party services with closed source back-ends.
First of, it seems like you do not remember how “safe browsing” and the
now gone “location service” were welcomed back at the time. Mozilla was
highly criticized and there's still reason to do so regarding “safe
browsing” when you know that “[...] existing cookies you have from
google.com, our list provider, may also be sent.” [2]
[2]
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-does-phishing-and-malware-protection-work
Anyway, let's not digress, the only reason why I mentioned it is that it
invalidates your argument. These are example of Mozilla failures (now
fixed for the “location service”), not something you should brag about
or refer to as something positive that was already done in the past.
As for the integrated search engines, several of them are bundled, the
user can chose freely which one to use and – to join what you are saying
below – this is not a service that can easily be replicated on mozilla's
side. You do not build a search engine by snapping fingers. On the other
hand, the services provided by a search engine fundamentally differ from
the ones provided by pocket: among other things (see my previous mail)
pocket is meant to store data.
Storing data is something that Firefox has been capable of doing for
years.
In creating any feature, Mozilla has to choose between partnering to
get
it, or building it ourselves. And we can't build _everything_.
Any computer science student can put a pocket clone together in a
weekend. There's nothing fancy, challenging nor complicated. There's
already a series of free softwares that does the exact same thing
(“wallabag” [3] among tens of others).
[3] https://wallabag.org
I know there are people out there who don't want to use any website
whose code is closed source, but I think they are pretty rare, as 99.9%
of websites are closed source.
Nobody's talking about this. This is irrelevant, there are also people
who prefer to eat bananas over apples, this brings nothing to the
discussion.
Mozilla has, more than a decade ago, made a policy decision that
linking
to or integrating with services whose backend is closed-source is OK,
and that decision is not under review.
Mozilla also made the decision to put the respect for the privacy and
the independence of its users above anything else. “When it’s personal,
choose Firefox.” [4]
[4] http://getfirefox.com
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