Hi All,
 
If you want some requirements for GP Practice to work from there are these:
 
gpcg.org/publications/docs/IBMFinal.pdf
 
gpcg.org/publications/docs/IBMTech.pdf
 
gpcg.org/publications/docs/IBMScope.pdf
 
A bit old now - but still looked close the last time I browsed.
 
This also might be useful
 
gpcg.org/publications/docs/data_model/Final_Project_Report.pdf
 
Sorry if I am teaching anyone to suck eggs!
 
Cheers
 
David

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On Wed, 28 Dec 2005 07:22:38 +0800, Richard Hosking wrote:
> I have been toying around the edges of Gnumed, but uneasy about
> committing a lot of effort, because progress appears to be stalled at
> present. Also I am still climbing the long learning curve to be able to
> contribute. It is probably the nearest to a viable FOSS app around, and
> could form the core of further development.
> Having studied the characteristics of "successful open source" on Google
> it seems that you need something tangible to gather a core of volunteer
> developers around.

> However the big problems with Gnumed appear to me to be lack of coherent
> up front requirements analysis, and the sheer technical feasibility of a
> full medical software suite. In my view a medical app would have to be
> able to deliver waiting room management/scheduling and a financial
> package with billing as well as the clinical side. Of all the FOSS
> projects studied on Google, requirements were implicit - though not
> actually canvassed, the developer had a clear idea what he wanted.
> I dont think this is the case with Gnumed and needs more work

> The other aspect of feasibility is the requirement for ongoing
> maintenance of data in prescribing, billing, vaccinations, travel etc.
> This would require a major effort and I dont think could be done on a
> voluntary basis - maybe this would be the basis for a commercial model,
> as well as technical support

> OTOH the cost of all the Windows based infrastructure should give a leg
> up to any commercial competitor based on Linux and FOSS.

> What do list members see as the requirements for a medical app in Australia?

> Richard

> David Guest wrote:

>>Ian Haywood wrote:
>> 
>>
>>>>David Guest wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>>It was
>>>>>a very simple package. It recorded notes, wrote scripts and could import
>>>>>and export text and binary data. It allowed others direct access to its
>>>>>database. It's simple structure,
>>>>>       
>>>>>
>>>David, I don't know if you are one of the few who can dream at will,
>>>   
>>>
>>Yep, pretty much, sometimes recurrently. I particularly like the one
>>where you become Professor of General Practice at Melbourne Uni and a
>>coterie of doctors and programmers committed to the promise of open
>>source in health forms and becomes a world centre for this activity.
>> 
>>
>>>but if you are, can you dream a little more around this concept.
>>>IOW, what are the *bare minimum* features of an EHR that will get it taken
>>>seriously?
>>>
>>>For my own part, I have been using MDW2 for 4 months. I use notes, scripts, letters, path/radiol requests,
>>>path results (PIT only), and that's it.
>>>   
>>>
>>I think we agree on the basics, Ian. It's keyboard, ins and outs and a
>>scripts database.
>> 
>>
>>>I use immunisations too in accordance with practice policy but IMHO it's worse than useless (90% of our
>>>vaccinations are catch-up) I once fired up the Travel module: must have taken the programmer all of 5 minutes,
>>>and s/he must have been drunk,
>>>   
>>>
>>I had a bit of time over the Xmas break, and did the Ruby on Rails
>>tutorial (dead easy Windows tute at onlamp) and then started on the Ajax
>>on Rails. The upshot of all this is that we will have to rethink about
>>the way we handle web data and interactions and hence all medical
>>communications. I now know what you, Tim and Horst were referring to
>>earlier. Unfortunately only a few others do.
>> 
>>
>>>>It was at that point that I woke up
>>>>so I never found out whether the company accepted those modules and
>>>>devised a mutually acceptable system for licensing them.
>>>>     
>>>>
>>>This is difficult. In general the following are true of the IT world:
>>>- people won't make free contributions to someone else's proprietary product. Argus is a good demonstration here.
>>>- you can't run a FOSS outfit where your product is based on a proprietary core. This is why GNOME exists, for example.
>>>
>>>If the hypothetical company wants a serious community around it, it needs to make the core free, and
>>>run off support or other tricks (i.e. Trolltech: free linux version for hackers, charge $$$ for Windows)
>>>Although theoretically possible (even Horst pays for support, for example) this model runs strongly counter to
>>>the ideology of IT in this country.
>>>   
>>>
>>Yes you certainly need a free core or nobody will come. I would
>>recommend GPLing the program and charging for add ons like MIMS and for
>>the packaging and support. No commercial company can come near your code
>>and its doubtful that more a handful of GPs have the time and expertise
>>to put it together themselves.
>>
>>Ian notes a GPLed medical software program has been on the dream list
>>for a while. Richard King came within a few hours of it but he, or more
>>particularly his wife, were too battle scarred by the medical IT
>>industry to return to the front. It's an opportunity for a startup but
>>would require a reasonably rare combination of skills to make it happen.
>>
>>David
>> 
>>
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